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#559280 - 11/02/19 11:11 PM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: Heinz]
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Originally Posted By Heinz
Toblerone, Rolex, Omega, Victorinox, Emmental.


Realistically they are all luxury products that will still be sold to those who have the money regardless.

Pharmaceuticals is the other thing which is perhaps more necessary to health and well being. Of course the pharmaceutical companies are well known for their honesty, business ethics, and concern for the financial situation of their clients. Roll on the American style health care system.
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#559290 - 11/02/19 11:52 PM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: rainbowj]
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Originally Posted By rainbowj
I see, with some glee, that the Italian prime minister has told his businesses to do all they can to protect their exports to the UK. If this means direct talks with London so be it. I have just watched the most bias report on ITV news that I have seen in a long time. All the effect on our economy but absolutely no mention of European countries fretting about their exports to us. French agribusiness is especially worried. They are looking for markets within the EU, BUT, the EU market will then be flooded and prices plummet. Why can't May man up and use our clout.

What clout is that? (leaving aside the "man up" :))

You really don't get it do you. There is no way that the Italian government can make a direct deal with the UK. There are no special deals possible with any single country within the EU, you must negotiate with the EU as a whole and vice versa. The EU could make, and no doubt will make, a trade deal with the UK but the Customs Union and Common External Tariffs would go. Through trade of third country products would become difficult.

In the case of no deal any minor losses to particular sectors of any segment of the EU economy will bounce back in a very short time and even itself out. However important the UK market is to any sector it is still small by comparison to the EU as a whole and 100% of the UK market will never be lost whatever difficulties may occur.

No one has yet answered TBM's questions.
Originally Posted By TBM
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Or better still, answer my two questions I posted earlier:

How was EU membership having a negative impact on your life?
How will leaving the EU have a positive impact on your life?


Nor has anyone answered my question.

What deal do you want?

Clearly the UK government can't decide on this question so one must assume it is not easy to answer.

Before anyone says that you just want to stay in the Customs Union and the "Common Market" please bear in mind that to do so would mean abiding by the existing rules (also standards on food and manufactured products) and no ability to make agreements with other nations without those agreements being ratified and applying to the EU as a whole. Some exceptions could be negotiated (the agreement with Turkey does not include agricultural products) but that is about it.
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#559293 - 12/02/19 12:33 AM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: Gambalunga]
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Originally Posted By Gambalunga
Originally Posted By Heinz
Toblerone, Rolex, Omega, Victorinox, Emmental.


Realistically they are all luxury products that will still be sold to those who have the money regardless.

Pharmaceuticals is the other thing which is perhaps more necessary to health and well being. Of course the pharmaceutical companies are well known for their honesty, business ethics, and concern for the financial situation of their clients. Roll on the American style health care system.


By chance a Swiss company (the name is reminiscent of „new arts“) and a UK company (a name with three letters) both in the pharmaceutical business belong to my best clients. BTW I could also personally experience the consequences of a hard brexit regarding the UK client.
Now it is as it is, but a new and restored EU would urgently have needed the influences and the power of the UK.
Unfortunately, the current EU is also a big party for many lobbyists from all sectors. That is my great criticism of the current EU. I see today's EU a little less idealistic than you do, Peter. But at a time after Junker this could become more positive. The EU can take a chance for good. It must fight on two fronts, against the lobbyists and against the new nationalists. But for that it must also urgently and soon show successes that people can feel.

A positive minded EU could curb pharmaceutical giants' prices without having an immediate anti-capitalist effect. It would just be a counterweight so that American standards do not exist over here. At the moment, prices for pharmaceutical products are still a matter for the individual nations. And, e.g. in Germany, control works reasonably well. But this can and should become an EU task. Momently costs are negotiated with each country individually these days, it works ok but the EU could set standards for all the countries.

Another of my customers, an American company in the same industry that has the beautiful company name of a woman, is a leader in the diabetes market. In Europe it takes moderate prices and can make a good living from that. In the USA the prices for the same products are shockingly high (as they all do). So brutally high that it will be hard for Obama care ever to have success.

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#559302 - 12/02/19 07:47 AM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: Gambalunga]
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Originally Posted By Gambalunga
Originally Posted By rainbowj
I see, with some glee, that the Italian prime minister has told his businesses to do all they can to protect their exports to the UK. If this means direct talks with London so be it. I have just watched the most bias report on ITV news that I have seen in a long time. All the effect on our economy but absolutely no mention of European countries fretting about their exports to us. French agribusiness is especially worried. They are looking for markets within the EU, BUT, the EU market will then be flooded and prices plummet. Why can't May man up and use our clout.

What clout is that? (leaving aside the "man up" :))


It's probably what Defence Minister Gavin Williamson was referring to in his recent speech, in which he said that he intends to send his new aircraft carrier, the HMS Queen Elizabeth, round the world to frighten China.

He also wants to build two British military bases, one in Asia and the other “in the Caribbean”. They are to “strengthen our global presence, enhance our lethality and increase our mass”.

Brexit, says the defence secretary, “has brought us to a great moment in our history”, when we must be ready to deploy “hard power” against those who “flout international law”.

Scary, huh ?
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#559339 - 12/02/19 11:25 AM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: pandy]
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And I thought gunboat diplomacy was a thing of the past.
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#559351 - 12/02/19 11:59 AM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: Gambalunga]
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#559352 - 12/02/19 11:59 AM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: Moggo]
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Good job we can rely on the French to support us.....

Originally Posted By Royal Navy
Last night Royal Navy sources confirmed that the super carrier will avail itself of French anti-submarine frigates which will escort it during both Nato and non-Nato operations.
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#559354 - 12/02/19 12:12 PM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: pandy]
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It also ignores the fact that the uk’s foreign and defence policies have never been under the auspices of the EU, or that the UK’s last interventions against those “flouting international law” - Iraq, Afghanistan anti Libya could hardly be described as hugely successful.

As to the operational side of his plan, we won’t be able to operate these new carriers without outside cooperation from other nato navies. we don’t have enough frigates or destroyers to provide a proper screen for the new carriers, there is no air to air refueling possible for the F35s without outside assistance.

Don’t let any of the realities get in the way of some jingoistic Sabre rattling.

Gavin Williamson is my sister’s old MP. She said he’s a nice enough man, but with no discernible brain.
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#559372 - 12/02/19 02:48 PM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: Gambalunga]
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Originally Posted By Gambalunga
There is no way that the Italian government can make a direct deal with the UK.


And the countries that can have no intention whatsoever of cutting us any slack. South Korea has joined Japan in stating that they will not permit the rolling over of the EU deals to the UK once we've left, as they will be able to secure arrangements much more advantageous to them due to our weaker position.
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#559389 - 12/02/19 04:17 PM Re: What does a "No Deal Brexit" look like? [Re: Moggo]
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Trying to forget the politics for a moment, just for interest, I walked around the veg/fruit counters at a well know super market and I was amazed at the different countries that these items come from.
I would imagine that all these countries, many of them EU members, must be getting very concerned as to just how they are going to continue in business if there are the sort of problems that we keep hearing about post customs union. You can't have fruit and veg sitting in long lines at the docks awaiting some uniform to check them at both sides of the channel.
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