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Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! #567868
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Pete Larsen of Liberty Motors in Seattle WA didn't 'retire' after selling his ACE designs to Morgan a decade ago. Pete has been back at it and his ACE 2.0 will be a mid-engine 3 wheeled screamer! It has a flat 6 and shaft drive from a Honda Goldwing just behind the seats that are basically between the front wheels and the gas pedal is inches behind the nosecone for anyone that feels too sheltered currently.

I for one can't wait; in Pete's words it will be a, "Bug-eyed and ethereal experience!"

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There must be thousands of gold wing rear ends our there because of all the trike conversions


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Wow, cannot wait to see it. Any prototype photos ?


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Drum roll....

this is computer rendering

Re: Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! [Re: 3Gs] #567905
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The frame is a work of art, some of the best welding i have seen. And the geometry of it suggests it will handle like a formula car.

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Liking that! Where do I sign up?


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Pete has a number of frames made and they are gorgeous square aluminum artwork.

here is another teaser...

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pretty, but doesnt seem as special as the ACE, or M3W. This just looks like another run of the mill 3 wheeler kits out there. If you wanted a closed engine bay, you would be better off with a slingshot I am sure.

Re: Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! [Re: 3Gs] #567919
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Trust me, the Ace 2.0 is much more sophisticated and doesn'y even come close to looking like a Batmobile like the Slingshot. The handling should be light years ahead of all other 3 Wheelers.

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Now that is one sophisticated looking 3 wheeler, he deserves lots of success with this design with such a smooth power unit and drive train to match an equally sophisticated chassis by the sound of it.


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Re: Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! [Re: 3Gs] #567968
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Looks like a Bugatti 3 wheeler - hope it isn’t priced the same!

Kudos to Pete for continuing 3 wheeler R&D. A lesson for Morgan perhaps...


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Re: Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! [Re: +8Rich] #567969
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That looks awesome.


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Re: Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! [Re: 3Gs] #568012
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It is interesting that he is sticking with RWD. How is the rear wheel driven with this one?

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If it's full Honda Gold Wing, then shaft drive all the way to the rear wheel.


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Re: Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! [Re: 3Gs] #568062
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It is a spectacularly close coupled Goldwing and nothing extra. Engine, trans, shaft to rear differential/hub and wheel. Nothing to get dirt and debris in the drive and you can bet it is smooth and quiet.

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Looks spectacular, Awesome even.
Luggage rack? Range and price.
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so is he also using a gold wing engine? Sort of like sitting on a sewing machine rofl

I kind of like the inherent vibration, sort of like a rotary engine in a WWI or II plane. drive


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Yep, Goldwing engine, smooth and quiet unless you modify the pipes.

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I'm not sure a comparison to the Slingshot is equitable. I've always thought that the Slingshot looked a bit like an inbred Transformer, it's engine is in front and is surprisingly large in person.

I do agree with the Bugatti reference and think this looks like it could be a Veyron's larval stage.

I'm pretty sure that Pete will be selling these like a new limited run supper-car. I don't think there is a formal application process but there's been mention of them going to a 'select' group of owners.

After owning ACE#10 for a short time I'm confident this will be quite something special; a race to Valhalla in a scalded hell-cat of his own making.

another rendering...

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Lovin it already 😍

Re: Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! [Re: 3Gs] #568215
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Greg, that is stunning and a wonderful descriptin.

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Loving the Morganesque grille. Now, I wonder if..... innocent

The design looks a little like a retro styled Grinnall Scorpian to me. Planenut can tell you how 'scary-fast' they are!


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I can certainly confirm that the K1200RS engined Scorpion I had for 5 years was "Scary Fast". It was chipped and had about 140bhp with under 400 Kg to move. The newer ones have a lot more power! It was well engineered and reliable too....

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Years ago I had a passenger ride in a Scorpion around the old Anglsea circuit.

I was blown away at how fast it was and how well it handled.

Re: Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! [Re: 3Gs] #568644
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I don't know - I appreciate the engineering, the creativity, and the performance, but it just doesn't have the gestalt of the M3W.

For me, it's sort of like those Goldwings with the training wheel rears, I'm sure they are pleasant to ride, but seem to be neither fish no fowl. I'll take my 12yr old Lotus Elise out to carve corners all day. and the M3W when I want to do some serious motoring! Neither pretends to be like the other.

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I would like to see a detailed engine and drivetrain peeking out from under the rear body work, perhaps via upswept bodywork (ala the electric M3W).


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I am in the middle of buying an M3W and the low tail is the only part that concerns me. I don’t think the Ace 2.0 will have that issue.

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Originally Posted By LightSpeed
I am in the middle of buying an M3W and the low tail is the only part that concerns me. I don’t think the Ace 2.0 will have that issue.


I mounted a dash mounted rear view mirror which really helps see what is directly behind me. Although at speed the vibration makes headlights look like zeros


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I am more concerned about the angle and depth of dips in the roadway. Like driveway aprons, loading ramps for ferryboats and steep driveways and getting the tail ground off on the pavement.

Obviously i am also concerned about vehicles directly behind me and in blind spots and the possibility of having to suddenly go offroad to get out of someones way. Getting slammed from behind is not a good thing, i have had it happen in cars and on motorcycles so I am very conscientious of whats around me. In spite of all that I am a believer that Murphy is on the Payroll and if something can go wrong it will.

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one of the things I am learning is to watch for dips and potholes in the middle of the road and you suddenly get that "bump" up your bum.

The only time I scrapped the rear was backing into a parking spot, but I imagine ferry ramps and steep driveways might be an issue. Might need a spotter.


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Or maybe a rear camera linked to a smart phone looking at that area and also acting as an additional rear view. It could be setup to have a record of who hit you :-)

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cheers


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Progress is being made on ACE 2.0!

Here is a pic of the nosecone out of the mold and grill / headlight install with the ACE badge being positioned...


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This is looking very exciting and great progress. It's going to go like the wind and with no vibration.


Regards Richard

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Originally Posted By +8Rich
This is looking very exciting and great progress. It's going to go like the wind and with no vibration.


And probably corner like it’s on rail and have an excellent view of the road.

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Originally Posted By LightSpeed
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This is looking very exciting and great progress. It's going to go like the wind and with no vibration.


And probably corner like it’s on rail and have an excellent view of the road.


You are probably right, I can't wait to see it up and running.


Regards Richard

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Wow! This is a great read. - Hats off to Pete Larson

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Does anyone know how to get in touch with Pete? I have 2018 M3W I bought from him and need some guidance. His Liberty Motors contact stuff is returned nondeliverable. Thanks!

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3Gs is your man.

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Sorry AZ, I'm not Pete (got your PM) but have gotten to know him through my own M3W saga and then being lucky enough to acquire ACE#10.

Pete delivered his last M3W to LightSpeed on Monday, July 8th, and he's now received a legal Cease and Desist letter from Morgan. Morgan then deleted all websites, email addresses, and references to Pete's relationship with them ever existing. I doubt Pete can be of any assistance now, likely for legal reasons, even if he wanted to.

Very interesting actions from Morgan considering all of the history!

On a brighter side you can spy a rolling frame of an ACE 2.0 in one of LightSpeed's delivery pics (this pic) he posted earlier this week while at the Liberty Motors building just south of Seattle. Pete has also sold that building and is currently packing up shop to move to a new secret lair where he will complete his next version of dinosaur burning artwork... the ACE 2.0 !!!

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If there is any way to contact Pete I'd appreciate the information in a private PM. He was a champion for me on my purchase.

Bummer to hear about the Morgan Factory issues. I know a local M3W dealer (who dropped his dealership) was unhappy with his relationship with the Factory too. I have a copy of Pete's book so the History will live on.


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Hello, AZ: It is quite likely that we bought our M3W's form the same dealer in AZ. I now cannot get any response from their service department, and wonder if they are still in existence. I am very interested in Pete's latest creation. I was about to purchase his ACE #13 when the Morgan people made it impossible for me to proceed. Kindly advise me via PM if you discover a way to contact Mr. Larsen.

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Pete is busy moving from a facility that has been family owned since 1925 to a more modern facility to more easily produce the Ace 2.0.

Morgan threatened him for having an email address that referenced the M3W so he is setting up new addresses for the new business.

Morgan seems very predatory.

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Sorry it took me so long to reply, the message was listed as a Profile Comment and didn't get noticed...

Pete's tn# has not changed and is at the bottom of the old London Telegraph review of his ACE back in 2009; https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/first-drives/4734497/Liberty-Ace-review.html

I don't think he can help with anything Morgan related these days, but the ACE 2.0 will be quite something when it's ready!

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3GS, you are 100% correct.

I feel really sorry for Pete in the way he was treated by Morgan. They would not be making the new 5speeder if it wasn’t for Pete.

His new Ace 2.0 should be a real track burner, smooth and fast and completely reliable. A miniature F-1 👍😎

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Fantastic looking vehicle.


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Originally Posted by LightSpeed
I feel really sorry for Pete in the way he was treated by Morgan.


Reminds me of an old joke...

- Do you know why divorces are so expensive?

- Because they're worth it!!!

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Here's another great article about Pete's first ACE with many nice pics; https://twistedsifter.com/2010/10/morgan-three-wheeler-trike-ace-cycle-car/

OK, back to the ACE 2.0 discussion...

After owning ACE#10 for a while I can honestly say it's amazing and I fully expect that 2.0 will be even scarier. It's not the modern / vintage Morgan look that Pete nailed with his first 3 wheeled creation, but I'm confident that the ACE 2.0 will be a petrol fueled fantasy...

"A bug-eyed and ethereal experience" was Pete's forecast as to what piloting the ACE 2.0 will be like!

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I wonder how he's getting round the US regs requirement for this type of vehicle to have their headlights close together?


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Andy, just a question, not disputing - are you saying that being classed as a motorcycle in the USA the headlights have to be even closer together?
On the ACE they are slightly wider apart than the above and that still seems to have meet the motorcycle requirements in (most?) US states.
In the UK and EU it would be different of course as it would have to meet UK DVSA MSVA rules.
Just a question, as I have some direct interest here. Cheers Peter.


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I suspect, but cannot confirm, that the buyer needs to provide the Honda for the conversion. So, it would already be registered as a Honda Goldwing and is just modified.
I am pretty sure that judging by this state and the previous state in which we lived that once it is registered with platesnobody inspects anything on motorcycles.

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I've read a couple online articles about motorcycle headlight rules here in the US and it does seem that a federal law states 8" from light to light as the max distance apart.

I have seen some of the early Slingshots and they had their main headlights over the front tires embedded into the body work. Since then they have relocated their main headlights to the center of the main body work and only have driving lights/turn signals outward mounted.

So if Polaris changed their lights to conform, it must be a thing. Now how well is it enforced, who knows. I have a buddy down at the Lake Of The Ozarks that I got interested in three wheelers and he built a from scratch Moto Guzzi powered three wheeler. When completed he took it to Springfield for the highway patrol safety and title application. He has his headlights similar to the M3W originals mounted outbound almost to the fenders. He got his approval and title from the MO State Highway Patrol Troop C. Again if it's a law and Polaris conformed to the narrow headlights, maybe it's just a law that doesn't get enforced or maybe as some I've found, just don't know about all the new laws of their state.

I was talking with a trooper at a swap meet last year and he didn't know that MO had passed a Cyclecar law allowing people without a M endorsement on their driver's license to drive "car type seating and steering" three wheelers without it. You do still have to wear the helmet, but some states with the Cyclecar law included the deletion of the helmet requirement in their state law.

Even with all the laws here in the US, one does not know what's what and usually not many of authority can help with the correct answers.


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It is the federal import laws that trigger it and like Vanderhall the manufacture of NEW vehicles must conform to the federal law, but any cop on the beat knows where a head lamp works best. I bet if Vanderhall lovers made a cool looking head lamp addiction for outboard head lamps they would sell and find their way onto existing Vanderhalls.

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enforcement can be an issue. In VA we have an annual inspection, but the guys are so thrilled just to look at my M3W that all they checked was whether the lights worked. Some states have no inspection at all. Also, like any laws, a vehicle only has to conform to the standards of when it was manufactured.

I have wondered where Pete might get his engines, and donor bikes are certainly an option. Although that usually means a vehicle that has been in an accident. The risk is you get an engine with unknown maintenance and miles. He might also get them from Honda.

Gold wing rear ends are a dime a dozen (like stock HD mufflers) from all the trike conversions.


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He mentioned the customer would have to provide a donor bike.

Here we do not have annual inspections but when they do inspect for some other reason they check pollution emissions compliance and make sure you have working lighting.

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that is it for us, the lights have to work. Although they also failed my wife's GL1200/sidecar as the rear brake pad was too wore out. dang you almost have to crawl under the bike to see that


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Did they check with mirrors?

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not sure, they may have. But the rear brake is on the top of the rotor, and the 1200 has a whole wrap around saddlebag on it.

What I have discovered when changing the pads is the pins that should allow the caliper to float do not.... weird how that can happen on a 33 year old vehicle..... pantsdown

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Originally Posted by PJB
Andy, just a question, not disputing - are you saying that being classed as a motorcycle in the USA the headlights have to be even closer together?
On the ACE they are slightly wider apart than the above and that still seems to have meet the motorcycle requirements in (most?) US states.
In the UK and EU it would be different of course as it would have to meet UK DVSA MSVA rules.
Just a question, as I have some direct interest here. Cheers Peter.
Sorry Peter, I'm not an expert in this field! It just sprang to mind when I saw the Ace 2.0 and compared it to what Morgan had to do to the M3W to enable continued importation into the USA. Added to that, the Slingshot & Vanderhall both have to do something similar. Somewhere in a thread on this forum is a link to the official (very reasonable) request that Morgan made to ask for an exemption which would have allowed them to continue with the outboard headlights. It was rejected by a bureaucratic pen-pusher, thus the silly USA headlamp setup had to be developed.


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And I put the old style on my new morgan and nobody says anything except, wow👍

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Originally Posted by LightSpeed
He mentioned the customer would have to provide a donor bike.


Really? Pete bough new Goldwing rear end assemblies for his Harley powered ACEs from Honda; skeptical he'd build ACE 2.0 around used parts?

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Maybe it had something to do with licensing.

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If it's really just a headlight issue [to get licensed in US] put one (or two) lights behind the nose-cone's grill and leave the other two where they are. Call the lights behind the grill the headlights and the others fog-lights. I don't think there will be much clearance in this area, before you get to the pedals, but some of the currently available LED headlights are pretty low-profile, and can be very small diameter too. That grill is just for show and the only thing currently behind it are your toes.

Once it's licensed use whichever ones your want...

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After divorcing from Morgan, selling his historic location where Pete built custom sidecars and the original ACEs, disconnecting his phone and barricading himself in his new secret location for many months of 7-day a week toil... IT'S ALIVE!!!

Earlier this week some south of Seattle were awoken at first light to the cacophony of a combustion banshee as Pete Larsen took his first 'test flight' in ACE 2.0!

A spy shot is below and here are a few of Pete's initial reactions from his inaugural sortie...

"...stiffer chassis, improved suspension geometry and weight distribution, the handling will be superior to the original ACE especially at high speeds."

In my personal experience my ACE#10 easily pulled away from Light Speed's M3W during our Hurricane Ridge hill-climb late last year.

"...may be the fastest car I’ve driven and I got sideways from throttle but with [damp road] conditions. Surprising low rumble at idle and throaty ripping sound on throttle. No one has ever uncorked a GL1800 motor before to hear her true voice likewise the potential power."

Pete added that the ECU will be Dyno tuned and left unlocked, but it's likely too much for many potential 'pilots' as is.

I trust that videos are sure to follow; in Pete's words, "when cosmetics are in line with expectations"

I think his smile says it all...

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Congratulations Pete👍

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Brilliant, and it looks very slippery and fast woohoo This is one sophisticated 3 wheeler and lovely workmanship.

Thanks for the update, getting close now.


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Very nice, although hopefully mudguards will be an option wink


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Wow! Very intriguing.

A totally different animal. With a powerful water cooled engine and shaft drive I bet it is really smooth.

I want both my M3W and this.


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I wonder if Morgan are interested, the M3W will be 10 fairly soon and a ground up revision would be no bad thing.

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That looks great - maybe a bit smaller than I had imagined. I look forward to Andrew English's full review!


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Originally Posted by nippymog
I wonder if Morgan are interested, the M3W will be 10 fairly soon and a ground up revision would be no bad thing.

I get the impression that the bridges in that relationship are well and truly burned!


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To me it has a slight look of a 3 wheeled version of an Auto Union GP car.

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Yes, it would look great in silver!


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Looks great! Must be much fun to drive it!


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Originally Posted by pandy
To me it has a slight look of a 3 wheeled version of an Auto Union GP car.

I see it too and I can't think of a higher compliment! The era of Silver Arrows left us with some of the most gorgeous automotive artwork in existence, IMO.



Originally Posted by nippymog
I wonder if Morgan are interested

After putting more miles on my ACE#10, than I got to put on my M3W ['upgrade' nightmares], I know first hand about the shortcomings of Mavlern's stewardship with Pete's initial 3-wheeler engineering (all of these thoughts are in other threads so I'll refrain from going further on this here).

Pete knows how I feel; anything he builds, I'll buy! Although he wont take my deposit yet, I requested that my name be on one of the six frames he'll build once his 'first-drive to finished product' process is complete, and it was a privilege to be considered for this reservation. I'm also perfectly fine with his no-timeline approach to achieving his standards.



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Yes, it would look great in silver!

I often dismiss silver on anything but vintage German but I agree that it would highlight the cosmetics to the 'Arrow' era; put the frame's number on the side in red to seal the image. I'm already dreaming of potential colors, but maybe that's Pete's choice too, and I'd be fine either way...

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I totally agree. Auto Union Silver Arrow look.

I know what I would do with this.

Porsche GT Silver paint, cognac or biscotto Nappa leather interior, engine turned stainless steel dashboard.

3Gs, you’re one lucky guy.

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Short front, long rear end.


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It looks fantastic- Well done congratulations Pete on yet another outstanding design.

I totally agree with the visual reflection to the Auto Unions of the late 1930s C & D types and agree that silver would totally set it off.

I look fwd to reading more on this in the near future.

Fantastic post.

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It was particularly the D type I was thinking of.

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Type C 16 cylinder engine. They were engineering works of art. Agree Pandy, definite visual cues in Type D.

Definitely looking forward to reading and seeing more about Pete’s work of art.


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so has he placed the engine behind the driver?


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Originally Posted by rcmatt
so has he placed the engine behind the driver?

From the opening post and OP - Pete Larsen of Liberty Motors in Seattle WA didn't 'retire' after selling his ACE designs to Morgan a decade ago. Pete has been back at it and his ACE 2.0 will be a mid-engine 3 wheeled screamer! It has a flat 6 and shaft drive from a Honda Goldwing just behind the seats that are basically between the front wheels and the gas pedal is inches behind the nosecone for anyone that feels too sheltered currently.

I for one can't wait; in Pete's words it will be a, "Bug-eyed and ethereal experience!"

p.s. I reckon this will go like --it off a stainless shovel, it looks very meaningful - perhaps all 3 wheelers will be built to this standard one day wink.


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Originally Posted by Sportster
3Gs, you’re one lucky guy.

I'll say that yesterday was a very lucky day for me...

Under the promise of secrecy I was given the coordinates of Pete's new shop; the front of it boarded over like a long vacant building, as I arrived in ACE#10. Around back, Pete paused for a moment to take in the return of his former 3-wheeled creation.

After a brief tour of the concealed location, I followed Pete in ACE 2.0 to an appropriate road and noticed that 2.0's exhaust note was the first that I've ever heard over my own V-Twin Harley's song, ever.

We stopped after some high speed twisties, with me hungrily eating 2.0's dust, and stood in the Winter sun to admire the two ACE siblings...

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Pete then took some time at #10's wheel, to reminisce and reacquaint with its manners, compared to 2.0.

I was then lucky enough to be brought along for the shock of 2.0's early capabilities; howling crackling exhaust while being pushed into the un-upholstered foam passenger seat, the incredible sing of the nearside drilled disc rotor (an arm-span from my ears) on hard braking! Yes, Pete has successfully born his "bug-eyed and ethereal" prophecy into reality...

IMHO; 2.0 is amazing already and still so much more to come!

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From the side, this car has an incredible look
I like the look a little less, in fact, I will have integrated the lights as on a Jaguar type D
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Looking good👍

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Wow! Lucky you.

I think it looks fantastic.


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Very nicely done!

To design and build something like this from scratch is quite an accomplishment. Really like the concept of mid engine and shaft drive.

Looking forward to seeing more.


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Any cockpit photos?

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Originally Posted by TimG
Any cockpit photos?


Still very much a prototype but I'm sure the large tach (white face) will keep it's dominant positioning...

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This just gets better and better

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What a clever man Peter is, looks great!
Must be more room in the cockpit without the drive shaft.

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I bet that dosen't bump steer.

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Looks like it has a stellar turning circle too...


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Pete if you’re watching.

I still think an engine turned stainless steel dashboard would look great.

For my M3W I drew the template including speedo/tach cutouts and drill holes on thick paper. Sent to FPM Metals in Nebraska. They laser cut the dashboard out of stainless steel and engine turned. Excellent work and very reasonably priced. Great company to work with. Going to make another pitch for silver exterior paint.

Great job. Anxious to see the finished product.

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Originally Posted by Sportster
I still think an engine turned stainless steel dashboard would look great.


Please understand that ACE 2.0 is still a prototype, unfinished, in progress... they will also not have a raw black gel-coat finish, body panels will not be affixed by racing tape, and the dash will be amazing. Pete has been letting me post these 'spy shots' and I think everyone has been enjoying the sneak peek, and the resulting enthusiasm too.

I've come to trust Pete's aesthetic and believe that whatever he chooses to do, it will be the proper path. Yes, there will be silver, and I'm also sure that they wont all look the same.

Sportster, I also want you to know that I appreciate your past efforts too... Since Morgan chose to ditch Pete's original ACE dash design for their version, I bought engine tuned panels from the shysters at Morgan West; which eventually arrived scratched and with the scallops orientated in different directions! After they begrudgingly agreed to take them back, I bought from FPM (at a third the price) and didn't even have to send in a template because YOU had already done that work; they fit perfectly too!

There are many pictures of my ACE#10's dash on this forum and below is a professional pic of what Pete did for all of his 13 original ACEs, as standard spec.

Now imagine what 2.0 will look like when she's truly finished and ready for her formal debut...

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Thanks 3Gs.

I know this is an unfinished prototype. I worded the sentence “ I still think “ poorly.

Pete’s original ACEs were finished off very nicely.

Keep the pics of progress coming. Fun to watch it unfold.

Regards.

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Thank you Sportster, all good stuff; back to 2.0...

Originally Posted by Bunny
Looks like it has a stellar turning circle too...

During my ride in 2.0 Pete did a u-turn that started within our lane's outside line and finished just past of the oncoming lane's outside line the the tire still on the narrow paved shoulder; I think it could have been a bit tighter too.

I have video of this but I'd have to edit out the majority of the clip where the speed limit may have been 'slightly' exceeded.


Originally Posted by Dab of oppo
I bet that doesn't bump steer.

I can say that ACE#10 doesn't bump steer, and Pete added that he was able to improve 2.0's geometry without the engine being there too.


Latest 2.0 updates: the ECU has now been further road tuned for even more go-go, and will be dyno tuned next month. Current headlights may get swapped with slightly smaller versions and rear lights are on order too.

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I Have over 40,000 miles on my 2014 M3W it has been to Alaska and most of the west coast. I have only once or twice scraped the tail.

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Originally Posted by ezrider22
I Have over 40,000 miles on my 2014 M3W it has been to Alaska and most of the west coast. I have only once or twice scraped the tail.


Do you have the raised European ride height?

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Not that I am aware of. Stock from Morgan. Purchased from Liberty Motors Seattle.

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Then you probably have the low rider version. When you take the boot tray out and look at the swing arm, mine has two mounting positions for the shocks and mine is set for the lower ride height.

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I did not realize there are two mounting positions..... I am short so the last thing I want to be is a low rider


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Originally Posted by rcmatt
I did not realize there are two mounting positions..... I am short so the last thing I want to be is a low rider



Look at your swing arm to see if you are riding high or riding low. The other difference is the front suspension uprights, they make two different ones with different part numbers. The Euro one is higher I think. Since I have zero intention of racing my three wheeler I have considered putting the higher front uprights on. In all reality it might be less money and a better solution to put on Ohlins and set the ride height up a bit.

[img][img]https://www.tm-img.com/images/2020/02/21/Screen-Shot-2020-02-21-at-8.06.33-AM.png[/img][/img]

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Sorry for the messy links. I tried to capture screen shots from the M#W Part Manual Version 5.2

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This morning it was 18f.... so it may be a while before I work in the garage - LOL


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That indeed is a bit brisk. 31f here, but 65 in my garage. Its insulated and heated :-)

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You lucky buggers, it was 2f with snow the other day. Gorgeous today and above freezing more snow Sunday, been a great winter this year the snow pack is at 115%.


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Wow, 2f is terribly cold. Living next to this big inland sea (Puget Sound) has its tempering benefits.

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3GS, any updates on Pete’s latest creation? Hope he has remained well through this Covid crap.

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Pete is busy away in his secret lair, refining multiple systems to his very high standards and now estimating 20-30% more power (injectors & ECU) than when I had the privilege of a ride in 2.0 prototype; and it was more than enough then!

So when will 2.0 be done? When it's ready, and it won't be ready until it's right...

I've put way more miles on ACE #10 than my M3W; before I cut the Morgan from my roster. From my comparative experiences, Pete is not one to get to 'good enough', and then leave the rest as part of the 'experience'.

I'm sure there will be more pics, once all of the systems are dialed in and he completes paint / upholstery.

I also believe that the first run of 6 frames are already spoken for.






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Originally Posted by 3Gs

In my personal experience my ACE#10 easily pulled away from Light Speed's M3W during our Hurricane Ridge hill-climb late last year.


I did not realize we were racing. However, I did manage to dodge the rocks in the road and any ice, water and snow that was across the road. Did you repair that rock ding yet?

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Originally Posted by LightSpeed
I did not realize we were racing.


That reminds me of a sailor's saying...
Q:"when are sailboats racing?"
A:"when two sailboats are going the same direction!"

Originally Posted by LightSpeed
Did you repair that rock ding yet?

It's concealed, easy with it being on the very bottom forward edge, but not a proper repair; at least fiberglass is easier to fix than metal IMO. For now it's still somewhat a 'badge of courage'.




PM me though, when you want to have another go, but let's stick to ACE 2.0 topics on this thread...

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Only a few people have been a passenger in ACE 2.0 and now the first customer got his chance to test his mettle and test Pete's new metal...

My own jealousy aside, Pete has known 'Mr.K' for a long time (name protected to hide the lucky one). In fact Mr.K still owns his Super Dry M3W that was photographed beside Pete's own ACE#13 (ACE of Clubs) in Peter Dron's Morgan 3 Wheeler book. Also worthwhile to note that Mr. K tracks his Porsche 911 GT3.

Here is Mr. K's own cell phone comment on his very fine day...

The new Ace 2.0 should be called an Ace 5.0! The new ACE drives like a seated, balanced sports bike with amazing turn in to corners! Perfect linear power delivery, amazing sound, an in your face driving position with great visibility, and just inches off the ground! The ACE was easy to shift with a Honda sequential gearbox, no missed gears, and immediately checked all the race car like boxes! The drive left a very big smile on my face! Having owned a Porsche GT3, and a current M3W Superdry, this new evolution from Pete is just the beginning of a very special vehicle! I need to strap in and fire it up once again! Bravo Pete!

Pete added to me that he also got to hear 2.0's exhaust note, with Mr. K driving, and the coming and going Doppler effect, and his resulting satisfaction of that auditory goal's achievement!

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A professional video is a must!

I bet you would have trouble catching it on the Hurricane Ridge Road😊

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Originally Posted by 3Gs
Originally Posted by LightSpeed
I did not realize we were racing.


That reminds me of a sailor's saying...
Q:"when are sailboats racing?"
A:"when two sailboats are going the same direction!"

Originally Posted by LightSpeed
Did you repair that rock ding yet?

It's concealed, easy with it being on the very bottom forward edge, but not a proper repair; at least fiberglass is easier to fix than metal IMO. For now it's still somewhat a 'badge of courage'.




Fiberglass is indeed much easier to repair than the aluminum I am forced to deal with. I think Morgan keeps making aluminum bodies is that they can sell more of them (just bodies).

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This is the prettiest reverse trike I've seen.

Love the wheels and tires; does anyone know what they are?

And does anyone know what Pete's plans are for this, i.e. will he be selling them or is it just a personal endeavor?

His web site doesn't mention anything about it.


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This is the prettiest reverse trike I've seen.

Love the wheels and tires; does anyone know what they are?

And does anyone know what Pete's plans are for this, i.e. will he be selling them or is it just a personal endeavor?


The tires are Excelsior Stahl Sport Radial, 500R16 (a true radial tire) and the wheels are specially built w/16" Boranni 40 spoke Aluminum rims, similar to those used on vintage Mille Miglia racers.

My take is that Pete is not pursuing prospects to buy this new ACE, but will consider candidates for the 6 frames he has, when the time is right. I do know that there are some reservations already made.

Pete has been finalizing the details, larger custom aluminum radiators/fans, interior and trim, steering wheel, badging, etc.

I’m sure there will be a significant update soon…

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To me it has a slight look of a 3 wheeled version of an Auto Union GP car.

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Very much so...


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Pete's new debutante is ready to dance...

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That is a beautifully engineered car thumbs that won't shake itself to death or let you down..

Thanks for sharing.


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Great video thanks for posting - Yet another fabulous Pete Larson creation. Well done sir!

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OMG!

That is a work of art. The design and fit and finish are truly superb.

And the exhaust note. Wow!

I bet that drives like a dream. Mid engine six cylinder water cooled engine with direct shaft drive, powerful and smooth with great handling. Nice combination.

Hats off!

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Fabulous creation, thanks for sharing it with us.


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Thats what you call a teaser video🤣 thanks for sharing.
Wonderful looking thing, very smooth and sounds like it would be fast.

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It looks & sounds great.


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So if Pete is using customer's driveline from a GL1800 Gold Wing, what if that bike did NOT have reverse? I may not be up on my Gold Wings, maybe they all have reverse now. Just curious is all.

I think it looks tons better than the very early shots of it. He's incorporated some nice "old" touches on the rear and the cycle fenders help up front.

Very nice!


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The Body detailing at the exhaust exit is very neat thumbs


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I like the view of her back side too! That's probably a good thing since the new ACE is so fast it's likely the view I'll have to get used to!

I was able to get that little bit of video before Pete and I took the backroads to Pacific Raceway for a day in the Car Club area during last weekend's Vintage Races; we even got to have a few laps on the track! It took all my courage, and ACE#10's power, to keep up as much as I did. When we got back to the paddock I was laughing uncontrollably... been a long time since I've had so much fun!

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Lovely looking car but what possessed Pete to make that hideous steering wheel. Looks like something from the Fandango Wheel Co (Hamlet Cigars advert). The other thing from someone who has an artificial ankle, now on its second replacement, courtesy of a Lotus 62, I am not sure I would be comfortable driving a car where the front crumple zone is my feet.

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Wish i owned one…

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The second new ACE is built, finished in Classic White with Black.

As the sun rose and fog lifted, it was time for a drive...

ACE in Black & White (video link)

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Sounds like a formula racer, and looks good.
I bet it is smooth.

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Sounds a bit different to the V twin engine that's for sure.
It looks to be very well made as you would expect on the close up shot of the front suspension, interesting that it has an anti roll bar, wonder if that's needed with the rear engine layout moving the weight further back?

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Lovely exhaust note. Shame about the inane backing track.

I wonder why they chose to mount the wheel with a spoke blocking a clear view of the tacho?

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God that music is naff. The wheel needs mounting properly but it did sound lovely


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Looking at the emblem on the wheel, it looks like the spoke should be pointing downwards.

The engineering on the suspension looks really high quality, but I still think that front end is well fugly. Dash looks a bit 'kit car' too. Would have been nicer if it had all white dials to match.


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Originally Posted by John V6
God that music is naff. The wheel needs mounting properly but it did sound lovely


Do you not recall the film?

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Thanks for posting. It looks very well engineered and personally I like the way it looks.

Also don't mind the dash which is in keeping with the overall design IMHO as opposed to the M3W dash which looks a bit modern for the rest of the car,

If the main criticism is the position of the steering wheel and the background music it looks like a winner wink

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Sounds great not sure about it's face though and as Wilson pointed out not much frontal protection.
The engineering is top notch as with all Peter's productions but I would be very interested to know the final price for such a creation, I'll hazard a guess at twice the price of the last production M3W.


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LOL,

Some will get the soundtrack, and Peter Dron has offered a good hint on the connection, which I find very cool once realized.

The steering wheel's quick release does not have a key in the splines so it can be attached in 36 different positions.


I was also lucky enough to get behind the wheel for a go and the torque, power, and sounds that have been coaxed from the 1.8L flat-six are magic, add that to the experience of piloting from the nosecone and the result is transformative exhilaration!

Yes, very different from the V-Twin for sure and I'll not be trading anything out; prefer to put another ACE up my sleeve drive

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That GL1800 engine will be silky smooth and putting out about 50% more power than the M3W. Has he kept the sequential gearbox? Would allow for very quick clutchless changes up the box.


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Transmission is sequential and it drives like a rally car!

This pic didn't make the cut..

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Transmission is sequential and it drives like a rally car!

This pic didn't make the cut..

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I bet it is glorious to drive. And you don't have to look at that front end from the cockpit smile


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Once again Pete’s created a real beauty - it’s such a shame it’s not available in the UK

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Has Peter started selling any of the Ace 2.0 cars yet? I know he is fairly limited on production of any car he builds, but wasn't sure if he has sold any yet.


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Originally Posted by CraigL
Has Peter started selling any of the Ace 2.0 cars yet? I know he is fairly limited on production of any car he builds, but wasn't sure if he has sold any yet.


I believe so.

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Lovely creation...with all that power/speed, it ups the aquaplaning risk a notch or two....

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Wonderful workmanship of the details. I really like it. And I bet Morgan we won't get that impressive with the new MTW.


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Originally Posted by JMD
Lovely creation...with all that power/speed, it ups the aquaplaning risk a notch or two....
There is more weight over the back wheel so hopefully the aquaplaning risk is reduced?


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Lovely creation...with all that power/speed, it ups the aquaplaning risk a notch or two....
There is more weight over the back wheel so hopefully the aquaplaning risk is reduced?

Would that make it more likely to swap ends when braking?


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Originally Posted by CraigL
Has Peter started selling any of the Ace 2.0 cars yet?


Yes, the purchaser of the ACE in this driving video has, in his words, "Been watching and re-watching - a few times now - so cool..." as he anticipates his upcoming delivery. He has also been a long time owner of an M3W with 30k+ miles; not sure what his future plans are for the M3W though.

Of the initial 6 new ACE frames, two are now built, and several chassis available for assembly into bespoke ACEs.



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Lovely creation...with all that power/speed, it ups the aquaplaning risk a notch or two....
There is more weight over the back wheel so hopefully the aquaplaning risk is reduced?

Would that make it more likely to swap ends when braking?
Well, actually it's mid engined so should have good balance?


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I would think that the Ace 2.0 weight, balance and performance would be very similar to the Grinnall Scorpion K1200RS I had some time ago. That was all excellent, as long as it was nice and dry. I did need to be treated with some respect if the road was at all damp, let alone wet. The Ace 2.0 does have narrower front tyres, so that may improve things, the back wheel looks pretty wide. The Scorpion had a 205 section back wheel and about 140 bhp to put through it.

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Originally Posted by Jens
Wonderful workmanship of the details. I really like it. And I bet Morgan we won't get that impressive with the new MTW.


Probably because the new MTW will be a production car, like the previous version, legal for sale across the world and therefore needs to sell multiples at a cost effective production price to make money....bespoke high quality workmanship/details cost...would be interesting to see the sales price of the Ace.

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Originally Posted by planenut
The Ace 2.0 does have narrower front tires, so that may improve things, the back wheel looks pretty wide.


The new ACE wears true radial front tires at 5.00R16 front and 195R16 rear (same rear as the original ACEs).

Weighting is basically 50/50 but that depends on the driver really.

Honda says the GL1800 is 125hp stock, and it's very much no longer a stock engine; it would be fun to see a Dyno!

I've got some more pics I could post too...

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There is more weight over the back wheel so hopefully the aquaplaning risk is reduced?

Would that make it more likely to swap ends when braking?


Less actually; the more weight on the rear wheel, the more is left to push it down through the water film when weight is transferred forward by deceleration.

But for overturn resistance, more weight on the front the better.

The crux of the matter is that no matter where the CG is, all lateral weight transfer during cornering is at the front, because the single rear wheel cannot resist overturning at all.

Therefore the more weight that's at the front to start with, the greater the lateral acceleration needed to completely unweight the inside wheel.

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Front Page on The Kneeslider today, https://thekneeslider.com/ and below is the direct link for when this is no longer their cover story:

https://thekneeslider.com/liberty-motors-ace-from-pete-larsen-with-mid-mounted-gold-wing-flat-six/

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Just a thought, what about a Gold Wing trike rear drive assembly??? Now you have a four wheeler mid engine from cab.

Could be a neat alternative to the three wheeler alone.

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It is my understanding that Pete Larsen builds the Ace 2.0 and the customer supplies a Honda Gold Wing 1800 from certain years that is used to supply the drivetrain and sundries to complete the build and to use the vin of the bike for the car. 6 frames have been completed and some or all have been spoken for. Pete began selling the Ace 1.0 for @ $ 48,000. My questions are- is he planning to sell more than 6,-what is the starting cost of each unit, and would he sell a unit to a customer to complete himself ie. complete the build by installing the drivetrain?
The 2.0 looks fantastic, even the steering wheel and the shift lever are works of art. The suspension looks robust and adjustable unlike the Morgan. I have driven the 1.0 and was duly impressed.
I would love to get more information.

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My questions are- is he planning to sell more than 6,-what is the starting cost of each unit, and would he sell a unit to a customer to complete himself ie. complete the build by installing the drivetrain?.


Yes, Pete does plan to make more but starting with the 6 frames; they were not all spoken for last I heard (maybe 2 available?)

$48k was 2009 starting price dollars quoted from another thekneeslider.com article LINK pricing has not been finalized yet.

I don't think kits will be promoted for quality control.

A new website is being developed and Paul Crowe from The Kneeslider is also pursuing Pete now for a story. Since Paul Crowe published the driving video on The Kneeslider there seems to be sudden global interest.

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A more in-depth feature in The Kneeskider today, https://thekneeslider.com/

Direct link to story https://thekneeslider.com/pete-lars...-and-engineering-with-retro-racer-style/

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Where is the fuel fill?

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Looking at that first photo, I sure hope Pete gets those front alignment issues sorted. smile


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Where is the fuel fill?

There is a flush round door concealing the fuel cap, top center and a bit behind the roll bars.


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I sure hope Pete gets those front alignment issues sorted. smile

Some of this view is that picture's angle/perspective and yes, the front wheels bank into corners slightly as they are steered. With the tall section radials this gives a very good contact patch and assisted turn-in when cornering as well as excellent steering feel.

As one of the lucky few that have now driven the new ACE, I'll confirm first hand that this recipe absolutely works.

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Will Pete release any pictures of the rear suspension and engine compartment? Also is he using the Honda Gold-Wing fuel tank?
A picture of the trike without the body would be greatly appreciated too.
Thanks for all the upgrades 3G's-

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is he using the Honda Gold-Wing fuel tank?

Yes, from the Kneeskider story, "motivating power comes from a donor Honda GL1800, which supplies the engine, transmission, swingarm, final drive and fuel tank"

Not sure if there will be any 'nude' pictures, after all... she was just introduced to the public and she's probably not 'there' yet wink

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Originally Posted by Bitsobrits
Website is updated:

https://www.libertymotors.us


Very nice!

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Originally Posted by Bitsobrits
Website is updated:

https://www.libertymotors.us

A pretty site, any idea of the pricing as I didn't find it mentioned which always means one thing to me spend spend


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I've never understood why Morgan bought the design for his first three-wheeler and then set about changing almost everything about it - not always for the better.

This new one looks beautifully crafted.

Pete Larsen seems to be a rare commodity. He's clearly a life long "hands on" enthusiast with an understanding of motoring history, who also happens to be a first class engineer.

He deserves to succeed and I hope he does.

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Originally Posted by mph
I've never understood why Morgan bought the design for his first three-wheeler and then set about changing almost everything about it - not always for the better.



Two potential reasons:

1) Not invented here syndrome
2) Taking out a potential major competitor


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Is it just me that sees the irony in the quote atop of the page entitled "Driving"..?


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Larsen = beautiful engineering + shonky design
M3W = beautiful design + shonky engineering

The new ACE has followed this principle, fingers crossed the new CX M3W will break the mould (probably wishful thinking).

I imagine the markets for each will now be diverging - the new Ace is more in the Vanderhall/Polaris area, whereas the 'Heritage' market may be more suited to the new MOG (again supposition without seeing the finished article).


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Originally Posted by TBM
Larsen = beautiful engineering + shonky design
M3W = beautiful design + shonky engineering

The new ACE has followed this principle, fingers crossed the new CX M3W will break the mould (probably wishful thinking).

I imagine the markets for each will now be diverging - the new Ace is more in the Vanderhall/Polaris area, whereas the 'Heritage' market may be more suited to the new MOG (again supposition without seeing the finished article).


Beauty is in the eye etc. I like the way the new Ace looks and it's appearance is more "Classic" than the Polaris. Larsen is clear on where his design cues have come from.

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Originally Posted by mph
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Larsen = beautiful engineering + shonky design
M3W = beautiful design + shonky engineering

The new ACE has followed this principle, fingers crossed the new CX M3W will break the mould (probably wishful thinking).

I imagine the markets for each will now be diverging - the new Ace is more in the Vanderhall/Polaris area, whereas the 'Heritage' market may be more suited to the new MOG (again supposition without seeing the finished article).


Beauty is in the eye etc. I like the way the new Ace looks and it's appearance is more "Classic" than the Polaris. Larsen is clear on where his design cues have come from.

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Larsen = beautiful engineering + shonky design


While this might be true for the new ACE in some eyes, it is not true for the older Harley ACE which is as beautifully designed as the 5 speed in my view.


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Larsen = beautiful engineering + shonky design


While this might be true for the new ACE in some eyes, it is not true for the older Harley ACE which is as beautifully designed as the 5 speed in my view.



True! And another thought, now that mmc has deleted the 5 speeder will this allow Pete to start up production of the Ace 1.0?

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Originally Posted by JohnMat
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Larsen = beautiful engineering + shonky design


While this might be true for the new ACE in some eyes, it is not true for the older Harley ACE which is as beautifully designed as the 5 speed in my view.


Have you seen the seat? Terrible design....


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Any idea how hard it would be to source the requisite Honda parts, etc.?


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Honda are still making the GL1800, so spares will be plentiful - I can still get nearly all the parts for my 1979 GL1000! Can't imagine there'll be anything like the issues that current M3W owners are facing with the now obsolete S&S engine.

That said, they stopped producing the GL1800 in the US about 10 years ago. Does the ACE have a brand new drivetrain or is he using secondhand parts like a kitcar? Shouldn't be an issue - the Honda's are very well constructed, reliable and built to last. Owners won't face any of the issues that you get with the current V Twin.

(add - GL1800 mileages of over 200K are commonplace, with someone recording 425K)

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Originally Posted by TBM
Honda are still making the GL1800, so spares will be plentiful....

This is a non-production car which can't really be compared with a manufacturer like Morgan. Just because the designer seems more competent in his component selection and engineering doesnt mean he should be compared to the folks in Malvern! wink


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the gold wing's really do last, my 78 Gl1000 has 140k miles. It would have more but I have had newer bikes as my daily rider. It is harder and harder to get GL1000-1200 OEM parts but there are lots on ebay.

From what I understand he is sourcing the engines from bikes that were wrecked. Usually is the tupperware and front end destroyed, which he does not need. There are LOTS of rear ends on the market because of the trike market (putting two wheels on the back,

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The next ACE f-6 will be on the road soon, silver with dark red leather, should really show off the Auto Union Type D's influence shades

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Silver! There you go. Very nice.


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Great new article about Pete and his new ACE by Avants Car Club, their moto is 'Drive Everything' drive
https://www.avants.com/magazine/pete-larsen-liberty-motors-ace

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Nice write up.

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Looks beautifully engineered and what an inspired engine and drivetrain.

Any news when the Andrew English article will appear ?

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Any news when the Andrew English article will appear ?

It's in the September issue of Octane and will be in The Telegraph soon. read

Here's a pic and a couple raw videos from a recent day at Oregon Raceway Park. These clips are from Dennis Palatov, who builds some amazing machines himself https://palatov.com/. The owner of the B&W ACE f-6 was there too! flag

I especially like the POV and the sound from the Brembo drilled discs that are basically next to your knees. This view does not pick up much exhaust note though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVvXOsGwT6M

View from Dennis on his motorcycle, some good exhaust sounds when the ACEs pass, nice contrast to Dennis's bike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzfmzS5YDOY

I'll be editing some higher res video together, with a remote mic for exhaust music, that I'll post here too.

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Whereas the previous ACE required a passenger with no arse, this one looks like it needs a passenger with no feet smile

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So are we really saying these cars are for special needs hide

Just go and get a Super3 and one size fits all thumbs

TBH I'm bored with seeing this non Morgan car on here it's been rumbling away for about 3 years now in the wrong thread, this is where it should be "Vehicle Talk (non-Morgan)" simples doh one persons view and no offence meant but, don't they have their own forum....


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Originally Posted by +8Rich
TBH I'm bored with seeing this non Morgan car on here it's been rumbling away for about 3 years now.


I think all 5-speeder owners feel a connection to Pete's work, and I for one am fascinated by what he's up to now. 3Gs, please keep it coming!

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Ditto. Always interesting to see other three wheelers and what they could offer to the M3W.

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Port Orchard, WA.
Originally Posted by JohnMat
Originally Posted by +8Rich
TBH I'm bored with seeing this non Morgan car on here it's been rumbling away for about 3 years now.


I think all 5-speeder owners feel a connection to Pete's work, and I for one am fascinated by what he's up to now. 3Gs, please keep it coming!


I totally agree, plus I bet one of these would run circles around the new Morgan Super 3. Love to see a head to head on a track.

Re: Liberty ACE 2.0 = a flat 6 mid-engine 3 Wheeler! [Re: M3W55] #751885
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United Kingdom, Lincolnshire
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But you sold your M3W and have a Pembleton now don't you?

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