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PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link #573368
23/04/19 05:32 PM
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Hi All,

I had the misfortune of an oil leak that has render the car grounded until I get this part in. With that in mind, I thought it best to pass along the below.

There is a copper adapter that is used to connect the oil pressure sending unit. This can be found on the back of top side of the engine on the driver's side (RHD). I knew I had a very minor leak which I thought was coming from the engine and bell housing gasket. The leak was a very small drip which over the course of a day was getting worse. I then spent the better part of the morning checking all possible areas and still came away feeling it was from the bottom.

The next day I took another stab at locating it but this time ran the engine and watched. To my surprise a small drip came from what at first looked like the connection between the oil pressure unit and the copper piece. I checked to see if it was perhaps loose only to find it was VERY loose. Gave it a 1/4 turn and something didn't feel right. I turned over the engine and was sprayed with oil. The copper part split!

A mate who is in the know mentioned that this is a weak part and Morgan specific. Being such an odd piece I figured it would take a bit of time to get one ordered but low and behold my retailer had them in stock. Seems it's common enough to keep on hand.

In short, have a look and take wipe to see if your's is sweating or not. It's a 25 quid piece - ouch - but it's metric on one end and imperial on the other. Go figure.

I would hate to think if it split whilst driving and thankful it happened on my driveway. I'll try and post a pic if the above isn't making it clear what I'm on about.

Cheers,

P


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Re: PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link [Re: PerryP] #573377
23/04/19 06:50 PM
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Many thanks for posting this Perry - I will check mine.
Tempted to get a spare to keep in the car.


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Re: PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link [Re: PerryP] #573378
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One of these failed on my 2009 Sport during the warranty period luckily it was just weeping.


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Re: PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link [Re: PerryP] #573388
23/04/19 08:10 PM
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Thanks for posting. Seems like a good spare to have in the box - whats the part number/details please? thankyou


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Re: PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link [Re: andymot] #573407
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Originally Posted By andymot
Thanks for posting. Seems like a good spare to have in the box - whats the part number/details please? thankyou


+1 Thank you a lot for posting! I never would have thought that this small part could ruin a trip to Italy...

Re: PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link [Re: PerryP] #573459
24/04/19 11:41 AM
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This same thing happened to my friends 2017. 4/4 anniversary.


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Re: PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link [Re: PerryP] #573462
24/04/19 12:29 PM
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Is this oil pressure sensor only Morgan specific? Did Ford cars have an oil pressure sensor with the same engine? Maybe it's safer to do without the sensor. Was it just an oil pressure switch at Ford Cars that keeps it tight and doesn't need two different threads?
Especially since the display of the oil pressure is hopelessly wrong anyway in my 4/4 I could think about not including this sensor.

Re: PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link [Re: PerryP] #573472
24/04/19 01:08 PM
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Sounds like a typical MMC “complication”.
I do wonder at the MMC ability to properly assess the impact of engine changes on ancillary systems.
Is it a case of bung the new engine in and see what happens ?
Morgan owners do seem to be the extended development team too.
Surely a properly designed connection would be straight forward to include in the initial trial fit development stage?
banghead
Quality should be built in from the design stage.


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Re: PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link [Re: PerryP] #573513
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There was an intriguing comment about the plus 6 that implied for the first time that MMC were using wholy metric nuts and bolts etc. Ties in with this issue. Reminds me of the problems I had at work when new machinery arrived, was of course all metric but within a year the older fitters had managed to change many of the fasterenrs to Whitworth. They found it easier to handle.

I'm willing to bet that an old traditional outfit like MMC has the same issue with their engineers.

Re: PSA - 1.6 Sigma - copper adapter is a weak link [Re: PerryP] #576304
12/05/19 07:18 PM
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Is this the copper adaptor (weak link) that can leak on the 4/4 Sigma ?





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