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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #574542
01/05/19 09:21 AM
01/05/19 09:21 AM
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Hampshire
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I own a Chelsea Tractor, full fat whats worse is I don't even live in Chelsea never mind take it off road. Although our local free car park can get a bit muddy. I say this from the position of someone you probably make your comment towards, not an issue. I don't NEED a 4WD or big high thing.

We have a Morgan and a Mini. Neither have any carrying capacity. We are lucky/hard working enough to have the privilege of another car which has a decent boot for real day jobs. It used to be a decent estate, MB E series but we decided to try an SUV at the last round to see what all the fuss was about. It feels like half our road has converted to SUV ownership of various sizes over the last 20 years. So an MB ML class lorry arrived about 2 years ago.

Pro's
The high position does give a more relaxing driving situation as your view is further. This means more reaction time and less stress. This leads to a more relaxed person during the drive (sadly as mentioned before this also means the poor sod behind you is just looking at a black expanse, yes it's black) The better view also makes SWMBO happier as she is not looking at cars. With the seats, air suspension and smothering mass the ride is very good and you could drive for 10 hours and feel fine at the end.

Con's
SWMBO senior has trouble getting in and out even with the Chelsea step on the side. She does like the view once in. The boot is not really larger than the E estate but perhaps a bit taller for square objects. The sheer weight is very obvious, I am getting through brake pads and shortly discs. You don't want to push through a corner to carry momentum. Even with air suspension and "sport" mode you can feel it is not natural to push on. The estate was miles ahead in this respect. Stopping distances need that extra vision. The E had the same engine as the ML (and despite my driving style relaxing considerably) the MPG is a good 10-20% worse.

I think the replacement for this is going to be a difficult one. I would like to go back to an estate but SWMBO will take some convincing to lose the nice view and relaxing driving gait it creates.

Different but not an improvement would be my observation.


Just time to burn a little more petrol before dinner.
Re: Defender [Re: madmax] #574545
01/05/19 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted By TimG
Originally Posted By Fuel.inj
A Defender in name only............This will be another Chelsea tractor.

Yes I will be disappointed if this is the released product. Seems to miss the point of uncomplicated rugged vehicle, a Discovery/Range Rove clone.

Exactly...
Originally Posted By madmax
Why do people buy such cars when they never go off the road ? Daft purchase.

Not all are limited to supermarket car parks as "off-road" territory Steve. Stuart also has a point smile


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #574569
01/05/19 02:02 PM
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One effect I have noticed in France which seems to have resulted from the proliferation of SUV's has been an increase in aggressive driving, most noticeably from those behind the wheel of such vehicles.

I don't have any facts to back this up, so it is an entirely anecdotal observation, but I guess that the sense of safety and security that comes from the chunky styling and elevated driving position may contribute.


Giles. Mogless in Paris.
Re: Defender [Re: MJF] #574570
01/05/19 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted By MJF


For combat based activities the Oshkosh JLTV is most likely to become the standard product which replaces the role that the Defender would have historically been used for.


Crikey. Oshkosh seem to have moved on from the expensive baby and toddler clothes market


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Re: Defender [Re: pandy] #574571
01/05/19 02:09 PM
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As far as the new Defender is concerned, I share the disappointment already expressed, but maybe JLR have decided that it's impossible to make money trying to take on the likes of the Toyota Hilux in the rugged dependable workhorse market which was the fiefdom of the original Land Rover.


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #574575
01/05/19 02:23 PM
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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #574583
01/05/19 03:20 PM
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Even better than a Defender


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Re: Defender [Re: JB62] #574614
01/05/19 05:27 PM
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Devonshire
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Well if it's good enough for Daniel Craig in the new Bond movie grin2


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #574631
01/05/19 07:10 PM
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They (JLR) were making very little on the Defender as it was never designed for robotic manufacture. It failed on Safety aspects (no airbags,etc) as well as the front had no crumple zone,etc. Actually it sounds like a morgan!


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Re: Defender [Re: Graham, G4FUJ] #574633
01/05/19 07:18 PM
01/05/19 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Graham, G4FUJ
Originally Posted By TimG
Originally Posted By Fuel.inj
A Defender in name only............This will be another Chelsea tractor.

Yes I will be disappointed if this is the released product. Seems to miss the point of uncomplicated rugged vehicle, a Discovery/Range Rove clone.

Exactly...
Originally Posted By madmax
Why do people buy such cars when they never go off the road ? Daft purchase.

Not all are limited to supermarket car parks as "off-road" territory Steve. Stuart also has a point smile



Most are going up and down the motorway or picking up kids , how much wear does the low range cog get , none ! As far as 4.8 litre cars are concerned thats not big these days , nor is 380 bhp .


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