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Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. #578925
30/05/19 08:45 PM
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Hi.
I have a 96’ +4 4 seater, which has a braking issue, essentially the pedal is seized, first I thought it was the rear cylinders that was the problem but replaced those and no change, they were seized...

Now thanks to +8Rich I have a new Master Cylinder and Servo on the way to me.

Any tips on fitting is it simply 3 bolts on the servo and disconnecting the brake pipes?

Also regarding the rear brakes, I have fitted the new rear cylinders but can’t get the cir clips fitted correctly, any tips? Also how do you back off the auto adjustment mechanism?

Sorry it’s a lot of questions but a wee bit stuck with the car in a London garage with limited options on getting it out to someone else to fix it.

Will

Re: Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. [Re: flyfisher] #578928
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Will, This is what I did to replace the C clip on the rear wheel cylinders and it worked out ok. C clip

Just to the right of the shoe steady pin and spring (8 on the diagram on C clip link) is the self adjusting ratchet mechanism when you take the drum off you will see it, you just push the lever over until the shoes spring inwards.

On my Plus 8 it was going to be an exhaust system and manifold removal of the RHD bank to replace the Servo unit, hopefully you have more room in the engine bay and can avoid this.


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Re: Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. [Re: flyfisher] #578930
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That’s very helpful.. how does one undo the self adjuster so I can refit the drum properly?

I hopefully have more space to fit the Master Cylinder, looks like you could drop it down below...

Re: Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. [Re: flyfisher] #578931
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My brake back plates have a hole and rubber bung in them to enable you to release the adjusters with a small screwdriver with a little leverage. A definite click is to be heard as I recall it and I'm as deaf as a post.

Slacking off the handbrake cable is a must before you start bleeding the whole system.


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Re: Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. [Re: flyfisher] #578952
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There is a tool to assist with fitting the circlip. https://www.moss-europe.co.uk/tools-equi...e-17h7949t.html

It does need careful use as there cab be a tendency for the circlip to get trapped between to tool and the post (cylinder), I found it best to get the circlip partially fitted by hand and then use the tool for the final half of the journey


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Re: Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. [Re: flyfisher] #578954
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Yep, I got the tool for fitting the Circlip but haven’t found it that successful, as strips the thread on the tool / cylinder...

Re: Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. [Re: flyfisher] #578956
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Clip Tool

Shows how the tool works. In some ways it is easier on the car as the back plate does not move about like it does in the video.


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Re: Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. [Re: flyfisher] #578957
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Main problem I found is at the beginning where the gap between the outer part of the tool and the cone is wide, the clip can tend to dig into the cone and then get bent into the gap. So I pushed the clip part way onto the cone so the gap was smaller. It would probably help to grease or oil the surface of the cone so the circlip slips over more easily.


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Re: Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. [Re: flyfisher] #579524
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So, after getting a new Brake Master Cylinder, turns out the problem might be caused by a stuck brake pedal... On a 1996 car there doesn’t appear to be any grease nipples on the pedal box unlike my previous 1987 4/4. Any idea how to grease the pedal box? I have tried WD40 but not much luck..

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Re: Brake Master Cylinder / Rear Brakes - Advise.. [Re: flyfisher] #579608
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With the amount of leverage your foot exerts I'd be surprised it's stuck

Try taking out the split-pin, then pull the pin out that secures the pedal lever to the master cyl fork, then test just the pedal play


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