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Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: Peter J] #579379
03/06/19 11:07 AM
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As Peter says, if MMC can find 1% they'll be very happy

That 1% will be the ones that want something different. These new owners will expect that the car always starts, goes and stops. They'll probably expect it to be wind and waterproof. They'll love the smiles and waves that come as standard. And the factory will hope that they buy into the ownership experience, and accept that with being hand-built comes a bit of fettling and post-sale development by owners.

My current list being a front suspension bush, blistering paint on the wing mirrors, the passenger air vent fell out, and a mis-build on the nearside rear wheel. None of which the dealer or factory is in any rush to fix. & nor am I, so long as they get done someday.

If there's 700 or so more people like us out there on the planet, MMC & their investors will be minted.

Will


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Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: Peter J] #579386
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Originally Posted By Peter J
Originally Posted By exbiker
And don't forget reliability, warranty issues and a local dealership, I can't see a bmw or Toyota customer buying into Morgan, Morgan is a lifestyle and a niche car.


I've had 2 Morgans, no reliability issues.


Originally Posted By Peter J
2014 Plus 8: A factory demonstrator so I expected perfection. Really excellent pain finish, trim and general assembly, but a few problems, to be fair none due to poor build quality.

1. Wrong O/S front calliper fitted so different sized pads on N/S and O/S. Very promptly sorted by MMC, clear and understandable explanation provided. I know it cannot happen again.

2. Dash switch module failed, all warning lights in the push switches stopped working. Sorted by MMC. I suspect this was down to the dash getting wet through use in the rain, hood down.

3. Cap on vacuum pump spare port failed. Fluke failure, sorted by Williams, not under warranty. Expensive, as wings off to replace £0.10 part....!!

4. Yellow Engine light on issue, still under investigation by MMC and Williams. Solution expected Q2, 2018.

Those rose-tinted specs. smile


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Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: tmg513] #579391
03/06/19 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted By tmg513
Originally Posted By Peter J
Originally Posted By exbiker
And don't forget reliability, warranty issues and a local dealership, I can't see a bmw or Toyota customer buying into Morgan, Morgan is a lifestyle and a niche car.


I've had 2 Morgans, no reliability issues.


Originally Posted By Peter J
2014 Plus 8: A factory demonstrator so I expected perfection. Really excellent pain finish, trim and general assembly, but a few problems, to be fair none due to poor build quality.

1. Wrong O/S front calliper fitted so different sized pads on N/S and O/S. Very promptly sorted by MMC, clear and understandable explanation provided. I know it cannot happen again.

2. Dash switch module failed, all warning lights in the push switches stopped working. Sorted by MMC. I suspect this was down to the dash getting wet through use in the rain, hood down.

3. Cap on vacuum pump spare port failed. Fluke failure, sorted by Williams, not under warranty. Expensive, as wings off to replace £0.10 part....!!

4. Yellow Engine light on issue, still under investigation by MMC and Williams. Solution expected Q2, 2018.

Those rose-tinted specs. smile

Indeed.. but no worse than the Germans, I contend.

1. The O/S calliper issue, I later discovered, was down to a minor accident caused by a Journalist. The factory were out of the correct Callipers so fitted one from a S2 Aero.... and forgot to re-fit the correct one!

2. Dash lights..forgot about that. It seems these should be considered wear items!

3. Cap on Vac pipe: hasn't happened again.

4. Yellow engine light .. sorted. A new engine map and advice NOT to use supermarket fuel. Makes no sense, but each time I fill up with supermarket fuel the light comes on. If I stick to Branded fuel all is well.


Peter,
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Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: Peter J] #579396
03/06/19 12:29 PM
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a problem with Mercedes or Toyota, no problem book it in to your local dealer, fixed and returned same day, my gdi ecu took a year, and was still not fixed, many others have their cars off the road for long periods, ok if it's a toy but not so good if it's in regular use, as has been said many times on here Morgan need to sort out the customer service and at the prices they are now asking (50% more than the BMW or Toyota) most people won't accept it, the prices have risen so high a Morgan is now even further out of reach.


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Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: exbiker] #579506
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This car WILL attract a small number of buyers (who want to have something "different"), as Peter says..a small number will be enough for Morgan.

IF the car is reliable then - it might really take off and demand might out strip demand?

We don't know...yet. cheers


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Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: MDS61] #579558
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Originally Posted By MDS61


IF the car is reliable then - it might really take off and ......................


The price will go up.

Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: howard] #579578
04/06/19 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted By howard
Originally Posted By MDS61


IF the car is reliable then - it might really take off and ......................


The price will go up.


Cynic!


Peter,
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Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: Peter J] #579587
04/06/19 11:03 AM
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Who? Howard? Cynical, shirley shome mishtake.


Just time to burn a little more petrol before dinner.
Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: Peter J] #582256
20/06/19 04:37 PM
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Surprised there hasn’t been a road test published yet as the first production cars have now been completed..

Re: Morgan Plus 6, BMW Z4 and Toyota Supra [Re: Peter J] #582259
20/06/19 04:54 PM
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Maybe the first 'road test' ended up as an 'off road (through the hedge) test!... smile


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