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Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: pete757] #590637
19/08/19 11:17 AM
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At 42.850 GBP Oakmere has still a red basically but very nice chosen Sports red 4/4 which I immediately fell in love with if I didn't had a 4/4 and needed an RHD. So graceful and so unpretentious. Just to my taste with the silver painted wheels and, a detail which I like a lot, the spare wheel no matter how simple she otherwise is equipped. (IMHO the spare wheel looks best with a 4/4). A nice steering wheel can be added later or even overrider bumpers.
https://www.oakmeremotorgroup.co.uk/used/prestige/morgan-44-16-new-car-4

So is this the very last not overdone equipped 4/4 like almost new, you can buy in the UK?


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Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: Rovert] #590777
20/08/19 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Rovert
Originally Posted by RobCol
I sense a move 'upmarket' with the new ownership of Morgan.

At the end of the day the traditional separate chassis Morgan must have a sell by date, so even the Plus 4 may be living on borrowed time as far as meeting future safety requirements. I'm sure they see the new Plus 6 chassis as the way forward.


Whilst the CX Chassis is the way forward for Morgan there is no imminent need for the trads to go as they are protected both by Low Volume Exemption and that regulations are not (normally) inflicted on current production models. When it stops it will be because of lack of profit - although regs may be given as the reason i.e. the Defender. (All IMHO of course).



I agree that the situation may not change this year or maybe not in the next few years due to the low volume exemption, and I also agree that profitability is the issue especially with the change of ownership.

The new owners of Morgan however will be looking for a return on their investment and if they are limited to 800 or so cars a year to comply with low volume exemption, the options are to build more expensive cars with higher profit margins such as the new Plus 6 or to build more cars.............. and that could well mean exceeding the low volume exemptions.

Interestingly we have been told the 4/4 has ceased production because of regulations on the Sigma engine, but over the years there have been many engines fitted to the 4/4 without the need to stop production. Could the real reason be that the 4/4 is the cheapest and least profitable Morgan or is there a new engine in waiting in the wings?

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Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: pete757] #590788
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Originally Posted by pete757


Neither of my 20 something son's get the Morgan, especially since I have come from 20 years of Lotus ownership!



Interesting comment. There used to be a poster on here called Easter who did the reverse ie Morgan to Lotus and afterwards could never understand the Morgan bit. Takes all sorts I guess. The two cars couldnt be more different

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Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: pete757] #590789
20/08/19 08:23 AM
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A very good point RobCol, Caterham, who are in a similar situation, managed to sell all of there Suzuki 3 cylinder engined cars almost immediately so couldn't Morgan do the same with the 4/4?
What of the Plus 4? I understand that the current GDI engine is now only used in a very few countries so is that for the chop as well?


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Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: howard] #590795
20/08/19 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by howard
Originally Posted by pete757


Neither of my 20 something son's get the Morgan, especially since I have come from 20 years of Lotus ownership!



Interesting comment. There used to be a poster on here called Easter who did the reverse ie Morgan to Lotus and afterwards could never understand the Morgan bit. Takes all sorts I guess. The two cars couldnt be more different


Yes, totally different cars!

I think turning 60 had me feeling less 'boy racer' and more 'Gentlemanly'!


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Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: Heinz] #590797
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Originally Posted by Heinz
At 42.850 GBP Oakmere has still a red basically but very nice chosen Sports red 4/4 which I immediately fell in love with if I didn't had a 4/4 and needed an RHD. So graceful and so unpretentious. Just to my taste with the silver painted wheels and, a detail which I like a lot, the spare wheel no matter how simple she otherwise is equipped. (IMHO the spare wheel looks best with a 4/4). A nice steering wheel can be added later or even overrider bumpers.
https://www.oakmeremotorgroup.co.uk/used/prestige/morgan-44-16-new-car-4

So is this the very last not overdone equipped 4/4 like almost new, you can buy in the UK?


It's lovely I agree :>)


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Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: Heinz] #591068
21/08/19 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Heinz
My dealer in Unna also has two last "new" LHD 4/4 which he had to register last year. The prices are ok.

https://morgan-deutschland.de/fahrzeuge/morgan-4-4-1-6-final-edition-1-von-10/


I had a look at 4/4 in Germany last year. As it would be clear the production of the 4/4 runs out the german dealers ( also,a second one) grow up the spec to "last edition" and the price for about 5000,- EURs. For cars they had in stock for more than three month. So they had ordered a last edition at a time there was no end of the production in sight!

That was the time I think: thanks, you' re out...

And thanks to BHM for a great customer service in brand new bespoked +4

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Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: lowebird] #591075
21/08/19 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lowebird
A very good point RobCol, Caterham, who are in a similar situation, managed to sell all of there Suzuki 3 cylinder engined cars almost immediately so couldn't Morgan do the same with the 4/4?
What of the Plus 4? I understand that the current GDI engine is now only used in a very few countries so is that for the chop as well?
That would be a 4/3 surely! innocent Imagine the extra luggage space under the bonnet though!


Andy
Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: pete757] #591233
22/08/19 07:28 PM
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I gather that the former marketing Bloke - mr De Roos told the dealers at a dealer meeting that a deal had been done with a supplier for a new range of engines at lower CO2 levels to start in 2019. So — is the Plus Six the start of a range of BMW engines??


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Re: New Morgan 4/4... and prices! [Re: pete757] #592644
30/08/19 04:36 PM
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I was speaking to one of Morgan’s suppliers today mentioning I was likely to be buying a new plus 4 GDI in around a years and he thought Morgan may not be making them by then. He said they already had cars on the road testing the replacement for the 4/4 and the plus 4. No more details were provided. I guess we will hear soon enough maybe Geneva next year?

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