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Re: Defender [Re: pete757] #592299
28/08/19 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pete757
I won't be selling my 2015 '90' to buy a Discovery with a 'Defender' badge on it!...

There 'was'... an opportunity to do something special here... if Mercedes can keep the 'G-Wagon' true, no idea why JLR crumbled to 'corporate image'...

Such a sad 'evolution' of a 70 year old icon... don't understand why they even bothered.

I forecast it will be a sales 'flop'...


There are already noticeably fewer Defenders here in Devon.
Most of the farmers already use L200s, or Hilux crewcabs.
Also at a recent local horse trials Defenders now seem to be in the minority.

Really sad and especially as I worked for Land Rover Ltd from 1979 for 10 years. This meant I saw the development and introduction of the 90 & 110.


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Re: Defender [Re: pete757] #592322
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Originally Posted by pete757
I won't be selling my 2015 '90' to buy a Discovery with a 'Defender' badge on it!...

There 'was'... an opportunity to do something special here... if Mercedes can keep the 'G-Wagon' true, no idea why JLR crumbled to 'corporate image'...
'...


Agree, just look at how well Suzuki have done with the new Jimny, they cannot make enough of them.


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #592327
28/08/19 02:09 PM
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I agree too, this boring Discofender is a lost chance.


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #592346
28/08/19 04:04 PM
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It does seem a strange decision given the popularity of the product as it was. Add to this the number of suppliers of re-engineered vehicles, who seemingly can't keep up with demand even at their high prices.

I've run two Defenders 110s in the past, a 300 TDI (the best IMO) and a TD5. I have off roaded with both, but must admit you do eventually get fed up with banging your head on the roof even when strapped in! They do give you a wonderful feeling that you could drive anywhere over almost any terrain - even the rough old Kings Road drive

JLR say that the Defender design did not fit in with todays manufacturing, so I wonder what did MB do with the G Wagon, is that still made as per the original or was the design modernised?

My personal view is that it is wrong to classify the Defender as a just another chelsea tractor, it is more workhorse. So for heavens sake why do JLR make all of their product range to be Range Rover clones. It would have been much better suited to being big, boxy and utilitarian with plastic bits and pieces that are hard to damage and easy to replace.

Obviously the bean counters have won (apologies to any accountants reading this!) and they've found a use for all those old Disco bits they had stored out the back.


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Re: Defender [Re: DavidR] #592367
28/08/19 05:50 PM
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In the main, because the largest part of the market is for "soft" roaders.

I will keep the 90 until I'm no longer allowed to drive...


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Re: Defender [Re: Graham, G4FUJ] #592370
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Originally Posted by Graham, G4FUJ
In the main, because the largest part of the market is for "soft" roaders.

I will keep the 90 until I'm no longer allowed to drive...


Ahhh! That explains it!!! Aside from the length of the 'wheelbase', I now realise that I can drive my 'old' Defender until I am '90'... or even '110'!


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #592371
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But probably not '130'!!


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Re: Defender [Re: pete757] #592372
28/08/19 06:15 PM
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You could always aim for the pre-Defender 127 grin2


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #592376
28/08/19 06:43 PM
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JLR turn out the same clone range of vehicles which are so bland. I’ve had my 2007 Defender TD5 for a number of years now and the amount of compliments I get from various people amazes me.

Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #592484
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Indeed!...

.... 'WOW.. that Landrover is so well restored, how old is it?"...

Well, actually, it was riveted together in 2015!


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