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The Plus Six 'bugs me'
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03/09/19 02:10 AM
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pete757
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Having just read the post about 'Factory visit 2nd September', this 'Plus Six' thing is actually beginning to bug me! I see it as a big step away from all the virtues that drew me and probably many other proud Morgan owners to the 'Trad' in the first place. Seeing the photo of all those aluminium chassis/bodies reminds me of my tour of the Lotus factory. Repeated 'mass production'. The use of wood is minimal. I even wonder why MMC bother with it... as in the Plus Six it seems to be very much a 'sit on top of the chassis/body' rather than the entire body 'integration' that the trad has. This could be done much cheaper and more efficiently using a modern material... it's almost that they realise that they still have to use wood in order to retain a sense of Morgan DNA... That DNA also includes shuttle shake, questionable 'handling', the traditional suspension systems, skinny tyres, small rev happy engines and the knowledge that the trad has been built in virtually the same way as it was over 80 years ago, The Plus Six to me, I think its not a Morgan. It just looks like a Morgan. It's obviously great for jobs and the company and as a 'car', it seems like a great product. Clearly it is also attracting an entire new 'type' of purchaser/owner because it is faster, handles like a modern car, is safer and more comfortable. What's not to like?! I think we will see lots of used versions hitting the market again in 1-2 years as the 'shine' wears off and 'modern car' boredom sets it. I personally could never imagine feeling truly 'connected' when I opened my garage door on a sunny and frosty winters day, to reveal and drive a Plus Six ... but most certainly I do feel that and much more with the 'Trad'. It's not just the car... its the whole adventure and the connection and 'escape' to a bygone era that the trad gives. Especially the 4/4. All IMHO of course! 
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me'
[Re: pete757]
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03/09/19 04:16 AM
03/09/19 04:16 AM
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Posts: 4,996 Austria, Vienna area
The Austrian
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Good summary but what's the difference to the present Plus8? Actually the Plus 8 has nothing in common with technology of the trad-models. It only looks close to a traditional Morgan, it is not raintight, has got poor aerodynamics and there is no trunk.
Most likely quality issues and limited end control will remain within the Morgan standards.
Hannes once: Green M3W; 2013 now: Red 4/4 Sport; 2011 and some practical cars for use in real life
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me'
[Re: pete757]
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03/09/19 04:38 AM
03/09/19 04:38 AM
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Heinz
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I thought the same regarding the new Plus six vs. the BMW/Aero Plus 8. Not so much difference principally. The emotional difference may be that one had a choice until now between those and a Trad, but when all new Morgans should become CX platform cars then it is a new situation and the era of the traditional fully coach builded cars is gone. TBH some of us will be sad including me but the new buyers less so I think.
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me'
[Re: pete757]
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03/09/19 05:10 AM
03/09/19 05:10 AM
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waikiore
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Pete -precisely the reasons that the 4/4 should be allowed to carry on, and its the one with the most history, now what 1600-2000cc or little turbo can we use?
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me'
[Re: pete757]
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03/09/19 06:24 AM
03/09/19 06:24 AM
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As long as it leaks and rattles and takes a bit of effort on the owners part it’s a real Morgan to me. Love it!
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me'
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03/09/19 06:47 AM
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Robbie
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If it is built in the Morgan works in Malvern — it IS a Morgan!!!
Robbie 2021 Plus Four -- Helga 211-WX-1433
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me'
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03/09/19 07:28 AM
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The plus 6 does have wood , just as much as other Morgans , it has a better chassis because its stronger but lighter , the company can't stand still and this car has been well recieved and has 200 orders already , its a success , well done MMC. I've been round the factory 2 weeks ago and it was great to see whats going on , and with the new investment its a very exiting prospect !!
Geneva 2016 plus 8' The Green Godess' 4 side exits .
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me'
[Re: pete757]
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03/09/19 07:37 AM
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Steve +8
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Ask 10 Morgan owners "what makes a Morgan?" and you'll get 12 different answers! Using the definition "That DNA also includes shuttle shake, questionable 'handling', the traditional suspension systems, skinny tyres, small rev happy engines..." would mean that my '96 Plus 8 isn't really a Morgan. I have little if any scuttle shake, SSL suspension front and rear (transforms the handling and comfort but retains the Morgan drive characteristics), fat tyres (to cope with the V8 power) and a large torquey 3.9litre V8. I think the Plus Six looks like a great car but I wouldn't swap it for my Plus 8 because if I wanted a modern automatic gearbox car I'd drive our Merc or 911, the Mog is a very different drive and it's "back to basics" feel is what makes it so appealing to me to drive. It looks like the Plus Six is going to be a great success and that will be beneficial to MMC and ensure that they're around in the future, so good for us trad owners in the long run.
Steve L.
1996 Plus 8 N22 MOG
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me'
[Re: madmax]
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03/09/19 07:55 AM
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The plus 6 does have wood , just as much as other Morgans , it has a better chassis because its stronger but lighter , the company can't stand still and this car has been well recieved and has 200 orders already , its a success , well done MMC. I've been round the factory 2 weeks ago and it was great to see whats going on , and with the new investment its a very exiting prospect !! 200 orders already! Would have been 201 had my premium bond numbers come up this morning! A straight six has it's own lovely sound. Better or worse than a V8 is subjective.
Morgan Plus 4 Royal Enfield Classic 350 Brompton M6L Giant TCX Advanced
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me'
[Re: pete757]
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03/09/19 08:09 AM
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RichardV6
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Interesting that the DVLA registration site shows the two MMC registered test cars I've seen (VF19 DGZ, VF19 DGA) as having CO 2 emissions of 149g/km. The latest price list quotes BMW figures of 170g/km admittedly commenting this may vary with tyre choice and other options, suggesting to me it may be higher and highlighting the difference in the two. Has anyone seen a dealers car fully registered yet? 
Richard
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