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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: pete757] #593239
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... "but for me, I'm moving towards selling my modern 4/4 and buying a really old one. Just as a pet really..."

I totally 'get' this concept! clap

My 90 year old dad frequently effuses stuff about the early Morgans... he was so pleased that I changed from a Plus 4 to a 4/4. I love my car for that and many other reasons... I would also love to buy a really old 4/4 as well...

Having given this a LOT of thought over the last few months, would I buy a Plus Six... No. I would keep my 4/4 as my 'Morgan' and buy an bonded aluminium chassis, hand built, Lotus Exige 'Roadster' as my 'modern go faster, handle better weekend sports car. Bloody good DNA as well. And a bit cheaper :>)

I totally agree and am so pleased for the MMC that the Plus Six is starting off it's life so well. It will indeed be great when we begin to see the 'bespoke' ordered cars hitting the streets and even more so if it's eventually offered as a manual. I don't think the Plus Six will 'fit' the traditional colours etc... as a 'modern Morgan' I can see some really neat contemporary colour combinations looking totally awesome. I am sure there will be a 'track focused' version as well.

Jeez it's great that we are all different! It's also great having such a great 'forum' here . cheers


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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: RichardV6] #593242
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Originally Posted by Richard Wood
Interesting that the DVLA registration site shows the two MMC registered test cars I've seen (VF19 DGZ, VF19 DGA) as having CO2 emissions of 149g/km. The latest price list quotes BMW figures of 170g/km admittedly commenting this may vary with tyre choice and other options, suggesting to me it may be higher and highlighting the difference in the two. Has anyone seen a dealers car fully registered yet? innocent


Well spotted Richard, one of my apps says DGZ is registered as an Aero 8, with 367bhp !


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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: pete757] #593243
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Originally Posted by pete757

That DNA also includes shuttle shake, questionable 'handling', the traditional suspension systems, skinny tyres, small rev happy engines and the knowledge that the trad has been built in virtually the same way as it was over 80 years ago,


You are not being consistent. In the spectrum from old 1930s car to modern car, all tha has happened is that the trad in the form of the plus 6 has been moved on a bit. The Trad you have is not an old or classic car - it has modern mechanicals even if the chassis and running gear is archaic. The Plus 6 modernises the runing gear but the construction and style and aero etc are all from the 30s. The lack of any sensible luggage space for example. The lack of proper windows. The use of wood. The location of the engine.

The Plus 6 is not a modern car. The Trad is not an old car. Both are a sanitised pastiche of a 1930s roadster. But it looks as if there is a good demand for just such a car which is great news.

I might even buy one myself if MMC get rid of that horrific gear lever and gear box. Currently the plus 6 with that gear lever is like a picture of the Mona Lisa holding an I phone. Totally incongruous



Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: pete757] #593245
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Steady on chaps, we're beginning to sound like some of the old three wheeler stalwarts who tried to ban the owners of the modern 3 from even joining the MTWC

For me if you like (or love) Morgans, then the new PlusSix may be the saviour of the future security of MMC, especially if it opens up new markets & new to Mog driver appeal

If you prefer your Trad, great, keep it. If you want to try the CX platform cars, great, MMC will not survive long term without evolving


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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: nick w] #593251
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Originally Posted by nick w
I think the plus 6 is brilliant. Brilliant better quality, brilliant engineering, brilliant number of orders, brilliant move forward for the factory. To move with the times takes brilliant management vision. I applaud them.

I won't be buying one though because I fell in love with Morgan cars when they were relatively cheap. By which I mean that the 4/4 was mgb price, the plus 8 offered supercar performance for saloon car money. I remember reading the review of the first plus 8 and it talked of the driver rejecting everything about modern cars except performance. Then when I looked at the factory history I saw it was built upon the cheap, reliable 3 wheeler models which were cheap to buy, cheap to tax and cheap to run. That was what I fell in love with and that is a situation or philosophy which has completely reversed today. The cars are expensive. The 3 wheeler is not cheap to buy, tax or run. It's a complete reversal of what I saw.
But that's the modern world. It's me that's out of step not the factory. They're successfully moving on and I'm not! So I love and applaud them, but for me, I'm moving towards selling my modern 4/4 and buying a really old one. Just as a pet really.
The MMC won't miss me and I won't miss them because I shall still visit and admire the modern output. I'll still cheer them on wherever possible. But an automatic roadster just isn't for me.
Nick

This pretty much sums up my attitude to modern Morgans except I don't think the Plus 6 is brilliant, it's an automatic FFS. It's not just the cars that are expensive either, the price of spares is stupid nowadays: the other week I went to the factory to buy a pair of engine mounts for my 4/4; they wanted £62 a side for them and even the guy on the spares counter seemed embarrassed; I bought them off Burtonpower for £9 each.


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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: pete757] #593278
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The Aero 8 came along and people still bought the Trad. The Plus Six will not stop people buying the trad as it is very different. I hope it attracts a new range of buyers as the Aero8 did 18 years ago. They are not mutually exclusive or at the cost of the other from my viewpoint.

I am certain the team have considered the future as we have all speculated on several other threads.

Today
CX chassis with TurboIL6
Trad (various)
M3W

Perhaps Tomorrow
CX with Turbo IL6 to rget
CX with Turbo IL4 to reduce cost in many markets but still more expensive than Trad
CX with Turbo IL3 as above (emissions)
Trad to get Turbo IL3 as engine ranges consolidate
Trad to get Turbo IL4 as sporty model with lower emissions for other markets.
M3w to get Plus Six engine - didn't you ever see Honda 1986 CB-X 6 cyl!

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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: Alistair] #593306
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: pete757] #593313
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I have to say that when I purchased the Plus 4 it was more the vintage look that attracted me and the fact that it had modern mechanical components. I have to say that I would have been happier not to have to grease kingpins, to have ABS, and to have more modern suspension. If you go back to look at some of my earliest posts you would see that I had always desired, and felt Morgan should build, something more modern in the underpinnings whist maintaining the classic look. The last of the V8s did exactly this but I did not want so much power. The same applies to the Plus 6.

As a concept I love it. For me the 2 litre, 4 cylinder, version which must be on the horizon will sell like hotcakes.

My only criticism of the Plus 6 is that I firmly believe Morgan should have fitted traction control. To my mind the car is too powerful for its weight not to have traction control.


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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: Alistair] #593315
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Originally Posted by Alistair
The Aero 8 came along and people still bought the Trad. The Plus Six will not stop people buying the trad as it is very different. I hope it attracts a new range of buyers as the Aero8 did 18 years ago. They are not mutually exclusive or at the cost of the other from my viewpoint.

I am certain the team have considered the future as we have all speculated on several other threads.

Today
CX chassis with TurboIL6
Trad (various)
M3W

Perhaps Tomorrow
CX with Turbo IL6 to rget
CX with Turbo IL4 to reduce cost in many markets but still more expensive than Trad
CX with Turbo IL3 as above (emissions)

Very probable
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Trad to get Turbo IL3 as engine ranges consolidate
Trad to get Turbo IL4 as sporty model with lower emissions for other markets.

Some time ago I was told a turbo charged engine in a trad was not possible, but none the less is has been done
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: Gambalunga] #593316
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Originally Posted by Gambalunga
I have to say that when I purchased the Plus 4 it was more the vintage look that attracted me and the fact that it had modern mechanical components. I have to say that I would have been happier not to have to grease kingpins, to have ABS, and to have more modern suspension. If you go back to look at some of my earliest posts you would see that I had always desired, and felt Morgan should build, something more modern in the underpinnings whist maintaining the classic look. The last of the V8s did exactly this but I did not want so much power. The same applies to the Plus 6.

As a concept I love it. For me the 2 litre, 4 cylinder, version which must be on the horizon will sell like hotcakes.

My only criticism of the Plus 6 is that I firmly believe Morgan should have fitted traction control. To my mind the car is too powerful for its weight not to have traction control.


You completely highlight all the reasons why I want to buy an old Morgan. It's a fun car and I don't want any of those "driver aids" in it! I've got all that in my daily car; I want a difference in my fun car. And all the electronics...the pictures Dave W posted seem to me to show electronic boxes in the doors...!
That's why I don't feel I can go forward with them....all future models will have to have all this stuff that makes us forget how to drive (e.g. my daily has a thing where the brakes stay on after you release the handbrake to allow you to get the clutch to biting. But all it does is trip me up because I learned to do it without the delay.).
So that's not MMC's fault that I don't want what they are forced to incorporate. They move forward (thank goodness for newer owners) but for me, as a dinosaur, I want purity, no electronic aids, I actively want to know which way up the coin I'm running over is.
There's more fun for me in getting round a tough corner at 35mph knowing I had to use skill, than getting round it at 60mph thanks to the car automatically braking some wheels and getting me round.
Nick

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