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Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Peter J] #594705
12/09/19 08:54 AM
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I think Plus 6’s much improved ride over Plus 8 is due primarily to the chassis, which is twice as stiff as Plus 8

Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Peter J] #594721
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There's a danger here of shifting the very essence of why Morgan is appealing.

The Plus Six buyers will still have the same dealers, and the same relationship with the factory. By this I mean the sometimes slow delivery of parts and so on.

They will also face the "character" of the easy up hood and sidescreens. Very much part of Morgan, but not what buyers of £80 grand cars are used to. So this group will willingly buy into the performance, and the auto box, but if they venture beyond a sunny sunday down to the pub, their experience may tarnish. We'll see.

Performance cars seem to have autos, because joe public couldn't manage a manual box with so much power and I get that. But not having a manual will reduce appeal. Maybe not by much, but there are people out there who enjoy the full experience, and for me, autos take that away.


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Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Peter J] #594723
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Alaistair,

I'm certain that the suspension can be improved by making small changes, it is so close to perfection that I feel that nothing is really wrong with it.

Here is a useless but interesting bit of information. The PlusSix has 2 radiator header tanks, because there are two cooling circuits! One for the turbo and one for the engine. It has 2 intercoolers, one for the intake air and one for the gearbox oil. Both ensure the engine operates at a constant temperature. There are no conventional thermostats, instead there are computer controlled valves that manage coolant temperature.

This is NOT a car for the DIY home mechanic: it requires much specialist knowledge and equipment and as the CPU is Morgans, not BMW's.

The future of motoring is managing data!!


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Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Peter J] #594737
12/09/19 11:45 AM
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Thanks for comparisons and update above Peter. No one including KH have been able to tell me what the radiator behind the left hand wheel arch is for. It receives cool air from clearly visible louvres in the side of same with air exiting via louvres in floor pan. There are matching vents in right hand wing but assume they are for cosmetic symmetry.

Can you enlighten me?


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Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Peter J] #594754
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Richard,

it could be for the A/C, if one is not visible in front of the main radiator. There isn't much spare space in the engine bay!
On the Plus 8 the vents in the RH lower wing are for the air intake and filter. I have no idea if the PlusSix is the same.

Peter


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Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Peter J] #594758
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On aeros it is for the A/C


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Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Peter J] #594782
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On the Aero V8 I understand that there are three rads all stacked front to back rather than sides.

Engine Coolant
Air Con
Gearbox cooler

So with the fourth on the CX being Turbo cooler ?


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Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Alistair] #594796
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Originally Posted by Alistair
On the Aero V8 I understand that there are three rads all stacked front to back rather than sides.

Engine Coolant
Air Con
Gearbox cooler

So with the fourth on the CX being Turbo cooler ?


Actually 4, you forgot the power steering fluid cooler.
Well, 5, the other one at the front is the oil, under the N'S wing is an intercooler that adjusts the temperature of the gearbox oil to the same as the engine coolant.


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Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Peter J] #594809
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Really interesting perspective Peter, properly appreciate your thoughts. Thanks for posting
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Re: PlusSix vs Plus 8, back to back [Re: Peter J] #594812
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Thoughts...

1: What is the warrantee period for the Plus 6?

2: Are Morgan having all their dealer mechanics trained on the complexities of the plus 6

3: If something goes wrong a few years down the line it could be a tad expensive to fix!


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