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Re: Defender [Re: Fuel.inj] #594419
10/09/19 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fuel.inj
Just another Chelsea tractor that will be taking up two slots in the supermarket car Park!


Possibly, but it won't be the fault of the car.

Width (including mirrors):

New Defender 1999mm
VW Golf MkVII 2027mm

Thankfully, the new Defender is only marginally wider than the old one, which was a very narrow vehicle. Anyone who has owned a LR Series car or Defender (you included, I believe) knows that a large part of their on-road usability comes from the fact they get through gaps other cars can't.

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Re: Defender [Re: twotribes] #594421
10/09/19 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by twotribes
Originally Posted by Fuel.inj
Just another Chelsea tractor that will be taking up two slots in the supermarket car Park!


Possibly, but it won't be the fault of the car.

Width (including mirrors):

New Defender 1999mm
VW Golf MkVII 2027mm

Thankfully, the new Defender is only marginally wider than the old one, which was a very narrow vehicle. Anyone who has owned a LR Series car or Defender (you included, I believe) knows that a large part of their on-road usability comes from the fact they get through gaps other cars can't.


You are probably correct Stuart, but not sounding to be sexist, the number of females I see driving v large SUV’s in car parks leaves a lot to be desired as to their driving skills.

Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #594434
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Another Discovery.

Hideous. Wilks would not even roll In his grave...

As for the price! Nuts! The 'old' Defender started at 24k... they have got this big time wrong.

I hope it succeeds.... there has been huge $$ invested in this project... and JLR are not in the best position right now...


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #594450
10/09/19 08:04 PM
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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #594452
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At that price, I don't think we will be seeing any real farmers or keepers at the wheel.

Re: Defender [Re: Graham, G4FUJ] #594456
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Originally Posted by Graham, G4FUJ
YUK!!!

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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #594483
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The configurator is up for the 110. I like that you can get white roof, steel wheels etc but “my” spec (S, base diesel, 18” smoked alloys, 3+3 seating, hitch) still made it £53K...

I suspect NewDefender will eat into Discovery and Velar sales, rather than expand LR in the market. Heck, they now sell 2 Jag 4x4s + 6 LR/RR 4x4s! And none of the in the 20-30£K market sweet spot, or electrified (Kia NiroE being what I would get next if I needed a new “car”...).

Interesting that LR is totally opposite of a Morgan in some ways (Tonka toy vs retro mobile), similar in others (eg UK vendor with quality reputation challenges, engine CO2 etc compliance with legacy products, investment in alu chassis, trying to replace a much loved fossil... oops I may get banned from TM now!)

Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #594510
11/09/19 07:56 AM
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I had hoped that a base spec 110 would be under £50k and therefore could be a viable successor as a 1-2 year old car to our 7 year old Discovery in a few years time. There really is not a lot of choice if you actually need the 3.5T towing capability.
Back to the drawing board.


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #594526
11/09/19 09:09 AM
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Obviously design is a personal thing, but to my eyes it looks good, but £50k! Yes it will sell and no doubt make good margins for JLR and their dealers, but I really hope they can get their unreliability sorted out. This has put me off even going for a test drive in one of their cars.

With regard to price, what can the agricultural market get these days? It all seems to have swung down to pickup trucks and I'm not sure that farmers would move away to a Defender like product for £30k although I'm certain that JLR would have looked at that market and made a car for it if there was the profit there, but I'm sure there isn't.

As a matter of interest, 2 - 3 of my local farmers just rely on their little quarter ton vans, like the Daihatsu jet something or the old Honda Acty vans. They are old and rough as hell, but seem to go on year after year and do the job admirably. Obviously very little real off road capability, but that doesn't seem to matter too much, the guys just hop on their quad bikes for that, so the market for reasonably priced utilitarian products has changed and I think Land Rover have accepted that.


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #594562
11/09/19 12:29 PM
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Isuzu, Nissan, Mitsubishi and Ford Rangers most of these with double cabs have taken over the Defender market down here although several of the farms local to me have kept their Defenders.
All these companies were represented at the local Kingsbridge Agricultural Show last Saturday, Land Rover were not to be seen.


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