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Another small step towards EV`s..? #596347
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Re: Another small step towards EV`s..? [Re: Luddite] #596348
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A good move assuming the sun shines up there


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Re: Another small step towards EV`s..? [Re: Luddite] #596369
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That has to be good news for the owners until the Council start charging a fee.


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Re: Another small step towards EV`s..? [Re: Luddite] #596372
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Several VM's I have spoken to are saying that: EV's are the equivalent of the music CD...i.e. short lived...after being told it is the future.

EV AND Hydrogen powered cars are the way forward.....

“Every single major manufacturer is either looking at or working on hydrogen cars, some as a one power source others combined with EV, Hydrogen remember it is the most abundant resource in the world......"

“Lithium-ion battery production [for electric vehicles] is very energy-intensive. A 80kWh battery will give a potential range of 200-250 miles and, in order to produce that battery, it will take around 20.7 tonnes of CO2,”

Not my words.


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Re: Another small step towards EV`s..? [Re: Luddite] #596418
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Re: Another small step towards EV`s..? [Re: Luddite] #596577
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Several VM's I have spoken to are saying that: EV's are the equivalent of the music CD...i.e. short lived...after being told it is the future.

EV AND Hydrogen powered cars are the way forward.....


I would guess a lot of what goes into an EV will not be lost if and when hydrogen takes over. The electric motors and control systems, AC / heating system, power steering, braking system will all carry over from EV to hydrogen powered vehicles, the key difference is that a battery pack and charging cables will be replaced by a fuel cell, hydrogen tank and filling pipework.

Re: Another small step towards EV`s..? [Re: MJF] #596602
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Originally Posted by MJF
Several VM's I have spoken to are saying that: EV's are the equivalent of the music CD...i.e. short lived...after being told it is the future.

EV AND Hydrogen powered cars are the way forward.....


I would guess a lot of what goes into an EV will not be lost if and when hydrogen takes over. The electric motors and control systems, AC / heating system, power steering, braking system will all carry over from EV to hydrogen powered vehicles, the key difference is that a battery pack and charging cables will be replaced by a fuel cell, hydrogen tank and filling pipework.


I agree 100%.
I've been saying this for at least 5 years.
And the best bit?
Things like our Mogs will run as well on hydrogen as they do on LPG. Not perfect, but we can still enjoy our version of motorised Vinyl!!

(Anyone want my CDs?)


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Re: Another small step towards EV`s..? [Re: Luddite] #596674
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So in the perfect world all the petrol stations will become Hydrogen stations and people will fill up their electric motor car that uses a fuel cell to create electricity, I assume those cars will also have a large capacitor to take advantage of regenerative braking?

I know BMW have run cars on Hydrogen using standard combustion engines but it is not as efficient as a fuel cell so maybe double the Hydrogen usage for a combustion engine car to a fuel cell and electric car. But that would mean we can still have nice fun noisy cars for a weekend fun trip and I assume only produce steam out the back so no more pollution than an electric car?

What I am wondering is how hard it would be to convert cars and how much would it cost?
Would it work on both carburettor and fuel injected engines or just fuel injection?
Would it be feasible to convert cars like the classic mini and MGB or would the costs be so high it is not worth doing?
Could it be done to vintage cars from the 1930's and still keep the cars character?

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Re: Another small step towards EV`s..? [Re: ChrisConvertible] #596698
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Originally Posted by ChrisConvertible
So in the perfect world all the petrol stations will become Hydrogen stations and people will fill up their electric motor car that uses a fuel cell to create electricity, I assume those cars will also have a large capacitor to take advantage of regenerative braking?

Yes - but I do wonder if small city cars will remain on battery and use solar to recharge where it is available. I would assume supacapacitors will be used as they are already being successfully fitted on commercial vehicles to capture the regen braking.


I know BMW have run cars on Hydrogen using standard combustion engines but it is not as efficient as a fuel cell so maybe double the Hydrogen usage for a combustion engine car to a fuel cell and electric car. But that would mean we can still have nice fun noisy cars for a weekend fun trip and I assume only produce steam out the back so no more pollution than an electric car?

Hydrogen isn't as efficient and has a much lower energy density so fuel storage will take more space, but it will allow continued use of fun noisy cars with either less / no boot space or a reduced range.


What I am wondering is how hard it would be to convert cars and how much would it cost?
Would it work on both carburettor and fuel injected engines or just fuel injection?
Would it be feasible to convert cars like the classic mini and MGB or would the costs be so high it is not worth doing?
Could it be done to vintage cars from the 1930's and still keep the cars character?

From work I have done on CNG vehicles it will require fuel injection, but it is possible that cars can be converted to fuel injection using systems like the Borla Induction Systems product. I am just having an 8 stack Borla system (and programable ECU) fitted to my AC Cobra for this very reason. It looks like a set of 4 downdraft webers, but will give the benefit now of fuel injection and offer the possibility of converting to hydrogen.

It is hard to determine the cost of doing the conversion at this stage due to lack of volume, however the cost of the fuel tanks (which need to store the hydrogen at 7-800bar) and the associated pipework / filling system together with fuel injection system and programable ECU will most likely make this type of conversion unviable for cars sub £80k which don't have fuel injection already.

For cars that already have fuel injection systems and a programable ECU it will be cheaper.

I think this is a much better way of maintaining classics than making them full electric to the point that I will progress with the conversion of the Cobra once hydrogen becomes more available where I need it for my typical UK journeys (which it will be within the next two years) and am anticipating buying a Plus 8 (BMW engined) to create demonstrators for this technology to see if there is a business case for this type of conversion.



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