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Very unhappy #597917
03/10/19 12:40 PM
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Hello to all,
When I ordered my Plus Four I spent lots of time looking at reviews up to and including 2019 and always noted the co2 emissions as 164 only to find that it has jumped to 205 and the French are wanting 10,000 euros to register it. I would not have bought a new one if I had known. More fool me I guess.

Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #597919
03/10/19 12:48 PM
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Oh dear, has it been subjected to the new NEDC test regs ?

it's getting quite confusing with WLTP, NEDC, RDE, and the small manufacturer exemptions that MMC get


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #597921
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If at the time of order, the spec was stated to be 164, then that is what you should expect to be delivered. Unless they have notified you that the spec is changing, you may find that you have grounds to reject the car as it is not the spec that you originally ordered.

Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #597922
03/10/19 01:02 PM
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Any way to pay to get it individually tested to see the results, a lot of this figures get pulled out of thin air from vehicles the engines are used in else where weighing much more than a Morgan.


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #597923
03/10/19 01:05 PM
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In the Netherlands it also increased significantly in price this year due to 'tuning back' NOX emissions, which leads to higher CO2 emission. (lower NOX leads to higher CO2, apparently)
Taxing is based on CO2 down here.


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #597924
03/10/19 01:10 PM
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Hello meabh,

at first 10.000 EURs are a lot of money. In germany I must pay a lot of tax too, but only "peanuts". As I order my MOG I only think about the old german taxsytem. And I just double the tax of our daily POLO.

As I get the invoice: ups... Something wrong. Not wrong, a lot of CO2. (Also the "new" 205gr).

But there was a sentence from a wellknown Brit: (nearly in this sence) The joy keep on, when the money is forgotten.

And: do a lot of kilometres with the mog... So the tax per mile will went down. That was also an idea I give to friend.
He build up a "high performance" 2stroke engine for his VESPA GS4. About 2000EURs change the owner, but after it was fitted the fun was big. For a little bit more than 6.000KM. He was very unhappy when the engine stops its work.
But I told him: don't worry, only 33Cent/ Kilometre... It's a good price for the fun you've fot.

René


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #597928
03/10/19 01:31 PM
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Interestingly, looking at French motor sites, there are 2019 P4's for sale with differing co2 and band ratings.It does make you think that they just make this stuff up.

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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #597931
03/10/19 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by meabh
Hello to all,
When I ordered my Plus Four I spent lots of time looking at reviews up to and including 2019 and always noted the co2 emissions as 164 only to find that it has jumped to 205 and the French are wanting 10,000 euros to register it. I would not have bought a new one if I had known. More fool me I guess.


Can you not have it delivered to a dealer or a friend who will do 100 miles in it , keep it for a few months and officially "sell" it to you as second hand?

Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #597936
03/10/19 02:05 PM
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It strange your dealer didnt told you it has been changed.
When i went to retromobile in february it was already changed.
The new wltp figures is 220 for a plus4.For exemple in Belgium my arp4
Should cost 5000 euros instead of 750 for the registration and the
Yearly tax 2500 iso 450.This is why a second hand car is
Most interesting than a new plus4.And the new plus 6
Is now very cheap compared to the plus4 with a wltp of 170.
Registration is 1250 and yearly tax 500.

Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #597939
03/10/19 02:48 PM
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That sum of money is disgraceful for what is a modern engine. If you had gone out and bought a old Yank land yacht with a 7 ltr engine you probably wouldn't pay anything. Crummy politicians.


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