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Advice sought re "1 shot lubrication" system #599192
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Hi

As a recent purchaser of a 1989 Plus Four I'm a bit confused by the conflicting advice I've been given about front suspension lubrication. My car still has the 1 shot lubrication system fitted and the handbook recommends operating this every 200 miles; as well as greasing periodically (because the grease 'helps to retain the oil'?).

Some owners I've spoken to advocate this approach. But several have been vehemently opposed to using the one shot oiler at all; and say it's unnecessary as long as suspension is regularly greased via grease nipple.

What do others think? I'm erring towards the greasing only approach. The Gomog site suggests this is done every 1500 miles?

Views welcomed; and apologies if this debate has been done to death elsewhere!

Martin

Re: Advice sought re "1 shot lubrication" system [Re: CarMart] #599196
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After doing lots of reading, I removed my system. Fitted grease nipples to the top of the kingpins (although never use them at the top, it's just to keep the crap out) and blanking plugs at the outlets at the 'plunger', Tend to grease the lowers about every 500 miles.

Eventually I'll remove the plunger completely and run a reinforced braided hose from the engine to oil pressure sender.


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Re: Advice sought re "1 shot lubrication" system [Re: CarMart] #599197
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Most of the fittings are 1/8 BSP


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Re: Advice sought re "1 shot lubrication" system [Re: CarMart] #599199
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Having read many opinions on front suspension greasing I chose every 1000 mile or so. I was finding the electric steering motor whining though as I approached this interval. Fresh grease cured this, suggesting the steering was stiffening up a tad prior. Now greasing at 700 mile intervals.

FWIW zero wear found on kingpins after 8000+ miles from new during recent strip down to fit SSL kit, so I can't be doing too much wrong.


Richard

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Re: Advice sought re "1 shot lubrication" system [Re: CarMart] #599200
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IF you use the one-shot oiler, only do it on a cold start - warm/hot oil can wash the grease out.
Grease at a maximum of around 1000 miles. I usually do it earlier.
Like Phil I have removed the oiler pipes and replaced with grease nipples on top of the king pins.


Graham (G4FUJ)

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Re: Advice sought re "1 shot lubrication" system [Re: Richard Wood] #599204
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Originally Posted by Richard Wood
Having read many opinions on front suspension greasing I chose every 1000 mile or so. I was finding the electric steering motor whining though as I approached this interval. Fresh grease cured this, suggesting the steering was stiffening up a tad prior. Now greasing at 700 mile intervals.

FWIW zero wear found on kingpins after 8000+ miles from new during recent strip down to fit SSL kit, so I can't be doing too much wrong.


This is very interesting and something I had not heard of in the past. On all 3 of My Morgans the One Shot Oiler has been removed for almost 20 years. GOMOG has the best write up IMO.


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I use copious quantities of grease at 500 mile intervals to both top and bottom nipples, until grease emerges from the bottom thrust bearing, being careful to wipe away excess spill before and after. At 28,000 miles I changed the pillars for chromed hard ones which have now reached over 40,000 miles in service with NO discernable signs of wear.
By greasing often I feel the steering is very much improved. My assumption is that this is because the caster angle is quite small and requires friction here to be minimal. I don't know if this makes sense but the more mechanically minded will hopefully shed more light on the subject.


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Re: Advice sought re "1 shot lubrication" system [Re: CarMart] #599211
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I grease every 1000 miles - I have hard chrome kingpins and phosphor bronze bushes. No problems so far.


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Re: Advice sought re "1 shot lubrication" system [Re: CarMart] #599214
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It will also extend kingpin life if you if you fit a form of gaiter to the lower, rebound, spring. Keep the worst of the road crud out which can cause faster wear...


Graham (G4FUJ)

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Re: Advice sought re "1 shot lubrication" system [Re: CarMart] #599243
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I’m glad someone else is confused! I’ve a 94 plus 4 and I too am unsure how and to lubricate the front suspension. I like the sound of getting rid of the oiler and reverting to grease nipples. My question is whether anyone does a kit to enable the swop including nipples, braided hoses etc? Instructions would also help!


Tony

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