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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599320
14/10/19 01:59 PM
14/10/19 01:59 PM
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I came across this on an EU site:

Before September 2017, all cars at dealerships had CO2 values based on the old NEDC test (the New European Driving Cycle).
During the period of transition from NEDC to WLTP that started in September 2017, cars approved before then will continue to have CO2 values as measured under the NEDC test only.
However, when a new car type is certified under WLTP after September 2017, its official vehicle documents (the Certificate of Conformity) will have CO2 emission values from both the new lab test as well as the old one.
From September 2018, all new cars must have WLTP-CO2 values


The new test is unrealistic - it requires high speed testing at speeds that are illegal in all my a few miles of autobahn.

My guess is that the OP has been caught up in the changeover process - the car hasnt changed and its real life emissions havent changed but the statutory measurements have changed. Meantime there are "new" cars in the distribution chain that were made before september 2008 which will have the old data or both data. I suppose it might depend on your defimnition of "new" - is that at first registration or when the car leaves final assembly.

Dont forget that VW had to stop sales at one point because of the logjam of testing required for the new system so where would a minow like Morgan fit in the queue?

Last edited by howard; 14/10/19 02:01 PM.
Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599338
14/10/19 05:14 PM
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tervuren belgium
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That s new from yesterday,it is not official but in general when garage Albert say something it is true.

Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599346
14/10/19 06:08 PM
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£18000.00 !!!! How much for road tax, for heaven's sake?


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599353
14/10/19 06:19 PM
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Bob, the annual tax is €540 and that is a reduction from €720 which applied to my previous plus 4. A roadster 3.7 is €2250!!!! Hence I don’t have one!
Cheers!


Robbie
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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599354
14/10/19 06:21 PM
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Gordon Bennett! We should count ourselves lucky over here, then.


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599358
14/10/19 06:29 PM
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The Gordon Bennett run is a good reason for visiting!!!


Robbie
2018 Plus4 - Snoopy
181-WX-3082

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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599376
14/10/19 07:48 PM
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whilst present at the launch of the plus six, I understood that in NL for every additional 10g/km of CO2 the tax goes up with euro 4000. In NL the Roadster is about the same price as the Plus six. The latter starts at euro 124000. It is an expensive hobby. It makes me appreciate Roadster in my garage more and more, I will pamper it.
Bert


2009 Roadster, Lancia midnight blue, cinnamon upholstery.
Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599389
14/10/19 09:27 PM
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It's all making me think that it will be a long time before I change cars!!!!!


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599424
15/10/19 07:46 AM
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Pure curiosity but what tax are Eire and Holland putting on pure EVs like Tesla?

Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #599428
15/10/19 08:14 AM
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Bug*er all - the tree huggers convinced the government that they were eco friendly so no VRT and about €100 annual tax!!!!

Of course no reference to the rare earth metals in the batteries or the hassle of recycling OR the source of the electricity(coal fired in the main) !!

Nuts.....nuts. Cadbury’s take them and cover them in chocolate.!


Robbie
2018 Plus4 - Snoopy
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