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Microsoft Windows question #599897
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Having used my work laptop and smartphone phone for a decade, I have ignored my perfectly good home pc which sits neglected upstairs. It has bucketfuls of memory, but, it uses Windows Xp. Can anyone tell me if it can be upgraded to whatever the latest home system is, please?
The system info stuff tells me it’s based on an Intel (R), which I presume I’d the processor


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If it's been sitting for 10 years, I'd get a new motherboard, memory, CPU and whichever OS you need.


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Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: SFG] #599899
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Apparently, Windows 10 only needs 1GB of RAM and a 1GHz processor, assuming 32-bit operation. Details are on this page -

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-10-specifications

I have run W10 on an old laptop with about 4GB RAM and a 2GHz processor. It was usable, but pretty slow! I have now migrated to the world of fruit-based computing though....

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Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: BobtheTrain] #599900
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Running XP implies a PC pre 2007 when Vista came along. Borderline for Win10, which you need for latest security updates (assuming you are connecting it to the internet...).
Per https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...ows/310e06a4-b181-45ec-ae6d-ee93a1632932 it suggests running the Win8 compatibility tester.

For the record my 10 year old PC (an i5 CPU, upgraded to SSD and 12Gb RAM, new graphics card etc) is now reaching the end of its life as some software I use is demanding a more recent CPU... dang! But 10 years is a good run: I will likely go for an updated i5 or AMD Ryzen equivalent, M2 SSD, and re-use my old HDDs...

I would guess that you might be running a 32bit version of Windows which is now obscolete, and even if the Win8 compatibility tester says you are good to go you may find some other issue. I would suggest a new PC is the way to go - Win10 preinstalled, modern CPU, etc. Or even a Mac! Or if you want a hobby, install a free Linux distro. Good luck regardless...

Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: SFG] #599910
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Thanks very much for the advice chaps. It looks like I should replace it. It rather hurts to replace an old chassis with functioning components just because the world has passed it by. Oh that rings a bell....


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Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: SFG] #599917
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Both Windows and Mac now run only 64 bit programs.
I had to scrap my version of Adobe CS5 fowling the last upgrade of the MacOS.
Irritating, to say the least.

Computers have a 10 year life at best, unless you are happy to run an old machine using legacy software.


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Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: SFG] #599924
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Yes, if you're happy using the old computer with the old software, then that's a possibility. But it would be very risky connecting such a machine to the internet, due to lack of security.


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Originally Posted by Jon G4LJW
Yes, if you're happy using the old computer with the old software, then that's a possibility. But it would be very risky connecting such a machine to the internet, due to lack of security.


That (security) really depends what you want to use it for.

In reality a computer that was developed for XP was superseded by 2007. Even if it has heaps of memory and a had a fast processor at the time it was purchased it is not really capable of handling updated software. Even the hard disk will be slow and very much undersized by today's standard.

I have a PC that was purchased just at the time that Windows 10 was released, I have since upgraded both memory and the hard disk. I mainly needed Windows for accounting software that I was running but I also occasionally use video and photo editing software, oh, and also the mapping software for the Omex ECU in the Morgan. As of the last financial year I have no more need for the accounting software, or at least I hope not because if I do it will be because the Australian Tax Office wants to review my income and GST (VAT) declarations. I have to say I am pleased to be finished with trying to manage business affairs on the other side of the world smile

I have some doubts as to whether or not I would buy another PC. I use the Samsung Android tablet, with the optional keyboard for most of my browsing, banking, and email needs. If I do update it will probably be something more compact. The only reason for sticking with some sort of Windows system would be to use existing software that I have.

My daughter recently purchased an Asus ZenBook and she is very happy with it and I suspect that I would get something similar if I decide that the existing PC has arrived at the end of its useful life.


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Get a new machine. Laptop.
I just junked my old desktop that was a few years old but running W10. Slow. Unhappy about updating software and security.
I use a tablet or laptop depend on what I need. Photo stuff on laptop for example.
I have two external hard drives storing photos, music, documents to keep etc for backup.
I use iCloud, Wallet etc for the tablet/phone for portability and had my TOTH tickets on the phone for scanning.
Printing? Just trying out the HP package for free ink. We don’t print much these days. Started on 15 free pages a month and so far have the unused carrying over. On a rare occasion when more is needed it is not expensive. We have had one delivery of a free cartridge so far.
Re junking the PC. I formatted it to clean it then removed the hard drive. The magnets have been salvaged...powerfull.


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Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: sospan] #600026
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Originally Posted by sospan
...Re junking the PC. I formatted it to clean it then removed the hard drive. The magnets have been salvaged...powerfull.

Good point - NEVER give away your old PC without dealing with the disk... if you are a computer tech you might just do a disk clean a few times with specialist software, but safest is to just drill the casing to destroy it. Take care with dismantling as the platters inside can be glass smile

Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: SFG] #600027
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I use the old hard-drives for backups. I have an HDD docking station that takes both 2.5" and 3.5" discs and a collection of hard drives removed from extinct family PCs and laptops. Some of these hold backups that I store off-site (actually at my mother-in-law's bungalow 15 miles away). A lifetime in IT has left me paranoid about backups!



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I need to find another HDD dock that will take both, my last one died...


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Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: SFG] #600064
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I am afraid the description you provide is not enough to make a real decision.
If you want to follow this link and download an application called CPU-Z this will give more information if you do want to pursue the idea.
https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

At a guess.
Windows XP would make it rather old now and probably not worthy of an upgrade.
I do not think you can get a free upgrade from XP/7/8 to 10 anymore so you would need to buy a copy of Win10home - £50
SSD disc would make it a lot quicker for £60 cheaply (500Gb)
Memory - on an old machine the motherboard is likely to be limited to 4Gb which is borderline for Windows 10 and so not worth it.

Do remove the disc before recycling it. It is illegal to use domestic waste for them now.
If it is a 3.5" hard disc you might need to check if it the connector is an ATA or a SATA to get the right case to mount it in for use as a backup or have access to you old files.
older - ATA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA
possibly - SATA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA

There are a lot of other challenges so I would recommend not throwing any money at it.
(USB peripherals will be USB1 which is slow)
(PSU will be inefficient sucking power)

Do you want a table with bluetooth keyboard
Do you want a normal laptop which is usually the most efficient option
If you think you want both then have a look at convertible laptop 2in1 - example https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/l-series/ThinkPad-L390-Yoga/p/WMD00000384
A 2in1 works like a laptop but can also be folded over to use as a tablet with a touch screen as well. Don't buy a really cheap 2in1 as the hinges fail. Dell, Lenovo, Asus, Acer all seem good.

As a minimum to give you a good few years you are looking for.
Intel Core i5 CPU 8th gen or 9th gen - 8265 as an example of 8th gen (some new AMD Ryzen 2700/3700x may be worth a look)
Min of 256Gb SSD disc but probably 500Gb SSD.
FHD 1920x1080 as a screen resolution (2in1 will be touch screen which makes it good for sofa surfing)


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Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: SFG] #600065
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Thank you for the further great advice, which I will definitely follow .
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If you do want the machine upgraded I am a fair hand doing it and am only a little south in Whitchurch RG28. More than happy to help a fellow Morgan owner for a bottle of red. I could easily meet you at Newbury services and do a collection.


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Re: Microsoft Windows question [Re: SFG] #600157
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In January 2020 Windows 7 will cease to be supported by Microsoft. What to do? Only home use no business use other than Personal Banking.


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I was offered a free Windows 10 upgrade for my 7 from Microsoft a couple of years ago and took advantage of it, downloaded it and receive regular updates from them automatically and it works fine for me as a private user not business related.

If this is still available I would recommend it.

The IT experts will be along soon with a professional view for you.


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Yes they offered a free upgrade program for windows 7 and 8 users when 10 was released. It is easier for a company if they have less users on the long tail of support with old products. They also needed to catch up with Mac and a few other things. Plus the security of the older O/S sucked like a toothless parrot.

That upgrade program has finished now and MS are a lot more careful with licences these days as their dominance of the market has been eroded. A little fishing can usually find a legal licence for a decent price.

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There is still a backdoor to upgrade to win10 for free if you have win 7. I apologize for the fact that the page below is in German. But maybe a translation using google or www.deepl.com will help.

There are also programs to read the own key of win7 if you cannot remember it.. But I didn't need it during the upgrade. For me, upgrade to Win10 worked very well.

https://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb-News-Windows-10-Upgrade-kostenlos-11348619.html

what you need first is the win 10 update assistent, here is an english version.
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-get-windows-10-may-2019-update-your-pc-soon-possible

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-...ossible#upgrade_windows10_1903_assistant


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Many thanks to Alistair who (by separate email) has provided lots of answers, advice and options.


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Originally Posted by Button
In January 2020 Windows 7 will cease to be supported by Microsoft. What to do? Only home use no business use other than Personal Banking.


Why not simply buy a copy of Windows 10 Home edition? Software engineers deserve to be paid for their work just like anyone else.


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Tim, as I said before you can get a free upgrade to Win10 from Microsoft if you already run Win7 for a may be short period of time. I guess the Microsoft software engineers are paid well even if you are not buying the copy.


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Of course if you are just using the PC for browsing and email, that is to say no specific Windows software, the obvious is to install one of the excellent Linux distributions. It won't cost you a penny if you select one of the many free distributions.

Check out https://itsfoss.com/lightweight-linux-beginners/
And
https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-linux-distro-for-windows-users/

I have personal experience of Lubuntu and can recommend it.
I have also tried Linux Mint and quite like it.

Most distros of Linux come with LibreOffice but that can also be downloaded for free if it is not included as a default. The same applies to Mozilla Firefox browser and Thunderbird email client.


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When I think about Button, I would say upgrading to Win10 would be the best solution.

In the past a windows upgrade never worked properly. The result was that e.g. from XP to Win7 a new system was installed. All programs had to be reinstalled. One searches everywhere for license keys and does not find them again. And it was very time consuming. I did the upgrade from Win7 to Win10 on four machines. The advantages:

it works absolutely safe

all programs are still there and working

The user interface is very similar and you quickly feel at home

You get all future security updates

and it costs nothing

All this together is very important when someone has become very used to Win7.

In the worst case the webpage of microsoft tells you that the machine does not fulfill the requirements for an upgrade. But nothing can be damaged. Nevertheless it is always recommended to make a back up of important things before doing it.


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The current edition of the fortnightly "Computer Act!ve" magazine has a feature "master your hard drive", which contains some interesting uses for old disc drives. Included is a hack to install Windows10 on an external device which you can then use to boot any PC / Laptop without effecting its current OS.


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