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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #601510
29/10/19 04:19 PM
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The sensor before the cat would be much hotter as it is in the direct exhaust flow from the engine. Perhaps by the time the exhaust gas paases through the cat it has cooled sufficiently that the excess carbon is not vapourised or otherwise burned and can be deposited. A consistently rich mixture will also damage the cat and shorten its effective life.


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #601523
29/10/19 05:11 PM
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I have made the experience with my 4/4 that the exhaust pipe is very sooty due to the warm-up phase. This soot remains. If I clean the tailpipe of the very warm engine, it doesn't turn black again or only very little when going on further driving the hot engine. Maybe this is worth a try. Then you can see if the engine runs permanently too rich or only in the warm-up phase.


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #601644
30/10/19 11:33 AM
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and soooooo.......

I've been phoning around this morning because Carte Grise.com are being a pita. I spoke to Richard Thornes who said they had had no trouble registering new P4's, then Allon Whites who said that the co2 was 215, then the factory who couldn't find anyone to answer me, then Berrybrook who said ahhh, there is a problem and the co2 emissions are to be revised downward but Morgan don't have the info which is why they quote 205 and the 110 P4 has a different, 21/5 litre engine !!!!!! and am waiting for a call from uncle Melvyn to see what he says. I did telephone Perranwell too but they don't sell new cars anymore and London morgan who quoted 164 .So I still don't know if my new P4 will have to have a new coc or even if that happens, whether the french will just ignore it as they are claiming 215 and a puissance fiscale of 10 - I have no idea where they got that from.

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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #601649
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Update: It looks like whatever the new co2 figure becomes ,it will not apply to cars completed so far this year. Go figure.

Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #601655
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What a horrendous situation to be caught up in.

I would have though, that if MMC provided the info about the car you were buying, then they have a contractual liability to deliver that car, with those figures. It's not up to you to make good the difference, no matter how this may have arisen.

At the end of the day, it's just utter bollox! Your car will make NO difference to global warming.

It's time we all got serious about addressing the root cause of all this tax raising BS... don't get me ranting! I will stop now!


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #601668
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I think it is time to write a very unhappy letter, sent by registered mail with a certificate of delivery, or by courier, to Steve Morris. It is absolute nonsense to say that they can not issue a new CoC. If an error was made, for whatever reason, it is up to them to correct it and, if necessary, advise the authorities that an error was made. This may cost you quite dearly in the future if the French Government decide to place an annual carbon tax on cars.

My feeling is that given the circumstances you would have every right to return the car if they do not issue a CoC with the correct CO2.

They have a legal responsibility to issue a CoC with the correct data. Just imagine the consequences if they issued a CoC for a Roadster but inadvertently put all the data, engine size, wheel sizes, emissions, etc for a Plus 4. This is no different. The data is either correct or it is not, there is no such thing as mostly correct or correct in March but not in May for the same thing.


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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #601677
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For a company producing cars at £90k a pop this fiasco is making them look very Mickey Mouse I'm ashamed to say and I believe you have the TM massif very much in your camp Ian, good luck.


Regards Richard

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Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #601687
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You have all been very supportive and I do thank you. This once in a lifetime order has become something that I dearly wish had never happened. I do bear responsibility, I should have done more research, I should have have been more cautious. However, I did not and find myself in this peculiar situation. I hope that others reading this saga will benefit. I have decided to sell the car.

Re: Very unhappy [Re: meabh] #601689
30/10/19 06:12 PM
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I am so sorry to read this Ian but totally understand your heartache and reasoning - it's just not worth the aggro.


Regards Richard

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Re: Very unhappy [Re: Gambalunga] #601692
30/10/19 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gambalunga
I think it is time to write a very unhappy letter, sent by registered mail with a certificate of delivery, or by courier, to Steve Morris.



I wonder if you'll get a reply!


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