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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: Gambalunga] #607446
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: Gambalunga] #607451
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Turbo4 from the mini cooper


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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: Robbie] #607493
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Originally Posted by Robbie
Turbo4 from the mini cooper


Totally agree Robbie.

The BMW 4 pot engine (in basically the same format) puts out 180 to 306HP. John Cooper Works MINI's (the new ones) have been tuned to over 480HP.

I had a 3 cylinder Triumph Daytona Motorbike 955cc. Yes a great noise, however, the VWG lump in SWMBO's car is very rough IMHO.


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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: Gambalunga] #607570
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Originally Posted by Gambalunga
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/morgan-ditches-traditional-ladder-chassis-next-gen-frame

Pretty much as expected including the "special" limited series of the final Plus 4.


I would assume the final Plus 4 to be ladder Chassis with GDI engine and apart from the badges on the side and the headrest stitching for this to be very similar to the 110 model Plus 4? It will be interesting to see what the price is compared to the 110 Plus 4.

Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: ChrisConvertible] #607607
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Originally Posted by ChrisConvertible
Originally Posted by Gambalunga
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/morgan-ditches-traditional-ladder-chassis-next-gen-frame

Pretty much as expected including the "special" limited series of the final Plus 4.


I would assume the final Plus 4 to be ladder Chassis with GDI engine and apart from the badges on the side and the headrest stitching for this to be very similar to the 110 model Plus 4? It will be interesting to see what the price is compared to the 110 Plus 4.


It will be a great opportunity for MMC to maximise profit whilst soaking up the remaining ladder chassis parts. Bet they are left with loads of imperial nuts and bolts though wink
As for final Plus 4, if true what are they going to call the four pot CX chassis replacement confused2


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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: Gambalunga] #607611
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Peter - it’s only the final Plus4 on the ladder chassis - no reason to bin the name from going forward on the new CX chassis cars. Look at some of the tin top car names— the corolla, for instance bears no resemblance whatever to the 1970’s cars now but the name carries on.

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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: RichardV6] #607638
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Originally Posted by Richard Wood
Originally Posted by ChrisConvertible
Originally Posted by Gambalunga
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/morgan-ditches-traditional-ladder-chassis-next-gen-frame

Pretty much as expected including the "special" limited series of the final Plus 4.


I would assume the final Plus 4 to be ladder Chassis with GDI engine and apart from the badges on the side and the headrest stitching for this to be very similar to the 110 model Plus 4? It will be interesting to see what the price is compared to the 110 Plus 4.


It will be a great opportunity for MMC to maximise profit whilst soaking up the remaining ladder chassis parts. Bet they are left with loads of imperial nuts and bolts though wink
As for final Plus 4, if true what are they going to call the four pot CX chassis replacement confused2


Erm, PlusForCX (may the forks be with you)


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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: Gambalunga] #607640
12/12/19 01:13 PM
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I’d like to think that they will continue with the Plus 4 name. Continuity of name is important where there is brand loyalty. As mentioned above, the only real difference is that the chassis has changed, albeit I recognise that this makes it a fundamentally different car beneath the skin. But as far as the prospective new customer is concerned they are likely to be a different demographic, younger, used to driving better handling cars with less “niggles” and would expect the new CX Morgan to offer a similar experience.
So, the new CX model, if indeed it had four cylinders, should, IMHO, be named the new Plus 4.
I look forward to this model much more so than the Plus 6, as I would always wish to have a manual gearbox. I have a John Cooper Works Mini Cooper with a 6 speed manual box and I just love driving it every time I get into it. It delivers, for me, that essential interaction with the car which an automatic box can never do. I am less interested in the speed of change up when accelerating fast as I am about timing the change, making that decision as a function of using all my senses, particularly engine noise, and striving for that optimum combination of hand and feet movement, with the objective of completing the change with the smoothest possible result such that my wife doesn’t fully appreciate just how fast we are going!
Another reason I am looking forward to the new model is that I might be interested in possibly buying one, depending on price of course. Having spent over £60k for my lovely Roadster, and more money since then improving it, it will be a very big decision for me as I do love my car. But, I am not so much in love that I would rule out changing if the new model (assuming 4 pot manual) can give me similar thrills as the Porsche Boxster I used to own.
Finally, I have PLU 4S on retention certificate and whilst it is currently on offer for sale, if I end up owning a new CX Plus 4 then I have the perfect plate! In fact, thinking about it now, I may take the plate off the market until I see and test drive the new model!
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: Gambalunga] #607644
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On the assumption that the CX chassis is a fixed cost & the interior, electronics, dash, instruments, bla-bla, and assembly labour cost will be very similar to the PlusSix, then I can't see how they can retail the new 4/4 or PlusForCX for much less than £70k, that's serious money for the entry model


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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour [Re: CooperMan] #607646
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You may well be right in which case it will probably rule me out. But if price is too much I will still have my lovely Roadster to enjoy!


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