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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: CooperMan]
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12/12/19 04:38 PM
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howard
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On the assumption that the CX chassis is a fixed cost & the interior, electronics, dash, instruments, bla-bla, and assembly labour cost will be very similar to the PlusSix, then I can't see how they can retail the new 4/4 or PlusForCX for much less than £70k, that's serious money for the entry model In business a cost is a fact * but a price is a decision. The two are only loosely related. You charge what you can get. * well it is a fact until you challenge the beancounters and then facts get changed into other facts.
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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12/12/19 05:30 PM
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Peter J
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I have to agree with Howard.
In my business life we set prices at a point that we felt would give us optimal volume, without much regard to cost. But I was lucky, we worked with GP% between 85% and 95%. MMC priced the Plus 6 based on expectation from the pricing of the Aero chassis cars, I'll bet they are very profitable. As they move down to 4/4 and hybrids the volumes will increase, even if the unit profit per car falls, so total profitability will remain strong.
And yes, the beancounters live in their own world, allocating cost based on where it looks best, rather than any form of reality.
Peter, 66, 2016 Porsche Boxster S No longer driving Tarka, the 2014 Plus 8...
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: howard]
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12/12/19 06:12 PM
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CooperMan
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On the assumption that the CX chassis is a fixed cost & the interior, electronics, dash, instruments, bla-bla, and assembly labour cost will be very similar to the PlusSix, then I can't see how they can retail the new 4/4 or PlusForCX for much less than £70k, that's serious money for the entry model In business a cost is a fact * but a price is a decision. The two are only loosely related. You charge what you can get. * well it is a fact until you challenge the beancounters and then facts get changed into other facts. Totally agree, but Invesiwatsit aren't going to let new Mogs roll out of MMC at a loss & with increased 'Stakeholders' (as they like to be called nowadays) I suspect MMC's overheads in Invesi's eyes have shot up ?
Jon M
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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12/12/19 11:32 PM
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Heinz
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From my point of view, we who love Morgan cars have pink red glasses on when it comes to the chances of greater sales. The principles of mass manufacturers can't easily be applied to Morgan cars, I think. If in theory a price of 45000 GBP for a CX 4/4 could be realized by cost-saving measures and if 3000 cars would be built per year in the consequence... Would more than 1,200 people all over the world buy a new car like this every year? I don't think there are so many potential customers waiting to afford a Morgan. It remains a niche product for conscientious and knowledgeable insiders. Where are the frontiers that must be maintained despite all the modernized manufacturing to preserve desire and tradition?
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Heinz]
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13/12/19 11:52 AM
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DaveW
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From my point of view, we who love Morgan cars have pink red glasses on when it comes to the chances of greater sales. The principles of mass manufacturers can't easily be applied to Morgan cars, I think. If in theory a price of 45000 GBP for a CX 4/4 could be realized by cost-saving measures and if 3000 cars would be built per year in the consequence... Would more than 1,200 people all over the world buy a new car like this every year? I don't think there are so many potential customers waiting to afford a Morgan. It remains a niche product for conscientious and knowledgeable insiders. Where are the frontiers that must be maintained despite all the modernized manufacturing to preserve desire and tradition? I agree. The balance remains the same.....just matching demand with production while making enough profit to survive and develop.
DaveW '05 Red Roadster S1 '16 Yellow (Not the only) Narrow AR GDI Plus 4
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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15/01/20 08:22 AM
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Toyota announced the 4cyl version of the Supra, with 258hp, which leads to another BMW-sourced engine
best news: although it keeps an automatic gearbox, it weighs 100kg LESS than the 6cyl version
as promised the PlusFour would have a manual option: that might even weigh less
Steven sold: M3W'12, Aeromax'09,V6'09, 4/4'86 now: LM62'22, Def110'20, Yaris GR4
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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15/01/20 08:46 AM
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If MMC production goes above 1000 units then they will lose their Low Volume exemptions and would need to match all current safety and environmental requirements, which if achievable would ramp the costs up.
Brian
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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15/01/20 11:05 AM
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Alistair
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I can see that being a good plan, I was wondering where the blocking points in Low Volume were these days thank you.
1000 cars with
Better fit and finish due to design integration Lower warranty issues Higher customer satisfaction (whisper it) Better final retained margin/profit Better workforce usage to keep it in the UK Better dealer relations as a result
All seems like a smart move I guess.
Everyone loves a Morgan. Even me, unless it's broken again.
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