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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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03/11/19 09:20 AM
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IF Morgan are moving "upmarket" having a BMW lump suits the image better than a Ford?
I know from personal experience with the 3.0 litre in my Roadster, if I say it has a Mondeo engine in it - the "general onlooker" is never impressed????
Honesty means doing it right, even when no one is looking!
2004 Roadster S1 3.0 V6 gone!
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
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03/11/19 10:21 AM
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pandy
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Can't you claim that it's a Jaguar engine ?
Giles. Mogless in Paris.
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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03/11/19 10:55 AM
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John V6
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That is what the local garage calls it. Jag not Ford.
JohnV6 2014 Brooklands Edition Roadster "Brookland's Belle" #5 of 50
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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03/11/19 11:03 AM
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The jaguar engine is a good one! Welcome to the big automotive group products.
That is indeed one of my main questions for the time. What are the essential a badge has to fulfill?
Form Morgan and engines that is easy as there never has been a Morgan engine.
How does that look like for Bentley? Group engines (nice ones) for the Continental as well as the original 6.75 in the Mulsanne. Is a wonderful styling department complemented by a wood shop and a trim shop enough for keeping the Bentley boys alive?
The Morgan surprise for me is often an engine that is underestimated anywhere else turns fantastic in a Morgan. The boring not even the +8 engine is breathtaking in an SD1, a Range Rover or a Land Rover. It is much more a fuel to noise converter there. In the +8 it was breathtaking. Same for the Ford v.s. Jaguar V6. The actual BMW is rated fantastic in the Z as well as in the Toyota. Can it do that much more in the Mog?
I would much more like to try out a Toyota HYBRID engine that ist boring in the Prius but maybe cool as a +4?
Just Thoughts on image....
Miklos
1985 plus 4 four seater 1992 Peraves ecomobil bicycles (pedersen to recumbent)
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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03/11/19 12:31 PM
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About the „Mondeo“ 3.0 engine you could say it is a Jaguar engine developed by Porsche (the V6 Duratec) if that is enough mentioned regarding badge engineering. To be serious I must agree that often in the Morgan some engines come alive which are of average performance elsewhere. The Sigma 1.6 has a characteristic as if it would have been planned to be made for a Morgan in the first place. In a Fiesta or CMax it was boring and could be only used at the upper rev band.
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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03/11/19 12:50 PM
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..... CO2 emissions are 135 g/km, a vast improvement over the current Plus 4 and could even be less for the Morgan which would be lighter than the BMW.
Are you sure? Z4 BMW = Co2 162 gr/km SUPRA TOYOTA = Co2 170 gr/km MORGAN PLUS SIX = Co2 180 gr/km ??? Pourtant plus legere
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
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03/11/19 04:47 PM
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[/quote] [quote=Gambalunga] ..... CO2 emissions are 135 g/km, a vast improvement over the current Plus 4 and could even be less for the Morgan which would be lighter than the BMW. Are you sure? Z4 BMW = Co2 162 gr/km SUPRA TOYOTA = Co2 170 gr/km MORGAN PLUS SIX = Co2 180 gr/km ??? Pourtant plus legere It is difficult to find the figures but they are quoted in a few places. I have found them in a couple of places. Have a look at https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/bmw/series-2/coupe/mpgBoth the BMW 220i and BMW 230i have 2.0-litre engines boosted by a single turbocharger. The 220i and considerably quicker 230i both have official economy figures of 36.7mpg and both emit 135g/km of CO2 putting both models in the 31% BiK tax band.
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
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03/11/19 06:12 PM
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chanteclair
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@ Peter I was talking about the BMW 3.0L that equips the new Morgan Plus Six. In Geneva, the MMC said 170 gr of Co2, today MMC said Co2 = 180gr / km? Why? The M +6 is 500kgs lighter than the BMW Z4 and other Toyota SUPRAs.
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