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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Eddie Cairns]
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12/11/19 03:06 PM
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A petrol only car will at most have a three to five year new car sales life.
Morgan will have to do some sort of hybrid at the least in the next few years.
Agreed. I'd be amazed if MMC weren't already planning for a hybrid drive train, and surely they must have designed the CX platform to be able to accommodate batteries for a pure EV - after all, they know better than any of us which way the legislation is heading.
Tim H. 1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 2022 Mini Cooper SE
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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12/11/19 04:46 PM
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Recent tests have shown that modern Euro 6D (temp) diesel cars with Addblue and particle filters can be less polluting than petrol cars.
Unfortunately the key word is "can" in this regard though Peter. Most of the diesel vehicles buggering up the air quality in Bristol are nowhere near this spec.
Tim H. 1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 2022 Mini Cooper SE
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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12/11/19 05:46 PM
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The answer to the two problems of diesel polution, fine carbon particles and NOx, is to ban diesels that do not have particle filters and Adblue. This means in effect that Bristol could significantly improve air quality by first banning pre Euro 5 diesels that do not have particle filters and then banning pre Euro 6 diesels that do not have Adblue.
An example is the current list of vehicles prohibited from the centre of Milan
Prohibitions in force
Euro 0, 1 petrol Euro 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 diesel without DPF Euro 0, 1, 2, 3 diesel with after-market DPF with particulate mass class lower than Euro 4 Euro 3, 4 diesel with DPF as standard and field V.5 certificate> 0.0045 g / km or no value in the V.5 certificate Euro 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 diesel with after-market DPF installed after 31.12.2018 and with particulate mass class at least equal to Euro 4 dual-fuel diesel-LPG and diesel-methane Euro 0, 1, 2
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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12/11/19 05:59 PM
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The answer to the two problems of diesel polution, fine carbon particles and NOx, is to ban diesels that do not have particle filters and Adblue. Sadly this is where the manufacturer's track record has caused them more problems. People just don't believe their claims any more.
Tim H. 1986 4/4 VVTi Sport, 2002 LR Defender, 2022 Mini Cooper SE
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Gambalunga]
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13/11/19 06:17 PM
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I have said it on here several times....."I have it on good authority that diesel engines have at least one more roll of the dice" governments will realise that they are cleaner than many petrol engines .
I agree old diesels are not!
Honesty means doing it right, even when no one is looking!
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
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13/11/19 08:54 PM
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A petrol only car will at most have a three to five year new car sales life.
Morgan will have to do some sort of hybrid at the least in the next few years.
Agreed. I'd be amazed if MMC weren't already planning for a hybrid drive train, and surely they must have designed the CX platform to be able to accommodate batteries for a pure EV - after all, they know better than any of us which way the legislation is heading. You would hope so. Morgan got a 6 million pound grant in 2016 toward building electric cars was to design a new platform to make EV's so the new CX platform should be that platform - the fact the other companies involved didn't produce the drive train doesn't mean Morgan shouldn't have produced the platform. This is a quote from 2016 by Steve Morris - The money will also be used to fund development of plug-in hybrid and electric powertrains for the EV3 and the rest of the Morgan product lineup.
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Re: Reflections on a possible PlusFour
[Re: Eddie Cairns]
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13/11/19 09:00 PM
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Sorry guys but you are all living in the past, car manufacturers have to get to 95 grams per km quite soon or people will just walk away, then 80 by 2025 and 60 by 2030.
Is that realistic or are the companies going to have to cheat like VW did with their diesels just to pass some government based impossible test, or say sorry we can't actually achieve your unrealistic target?
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