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Ferrari vs. Ferrari #604011
18/11/19 11:58 AM
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I'm speechless. That was the stupidest action Vettel could do in my view. Of course Leclerc is a guy who won't give in.
Vettel as the older and more experienced driver would have had to admit defeat. His tyres would never have allowed him to stay in front of Leclerc until the finish.
It looks so painful when both cars of a team like Ferrari fly to Nirvana at the same time. But on the other hand, the Red Bull technicians had their fun. You have to understand that. If you look at it with humor, here's a funny answer below the youtube. Video:

Ferrari Media Team: ”so guys do something to summarize our season”
Sebastian and Charles: ”sure”



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Re: Ferrari vs. Ferrari [Re: Heinz] #604017
18/11/19 12:47 PM
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Typical Vettel....
Great to watch.

BUT

Compare and contrast Hamiltons reaction to his accident with Albion with the Fezza guys.


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Re: Ferrari vs. Ferrari [Re: Heinz] #604024
18/11/19 01:33 PM
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As much as it pains me to say this but Hamiltons response to his action was the correct and gentlemanly thing to do so well done him unlike Vettel who is a bit out of control lately and should have immediately apologised to Charles. Perhaps Seb ought to consider his position as he is now married and has bigger things to concern him.
As for the race, perhaps the best this season.


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Re: Ferrari vs. Ferrari [Re: Heinz] #604035
18/11/19 02:23 PM
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How about 10 place grid penalties for both Fezzas ant the next GP?
Won't happen, but they deserve it.


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Re: Ferrari vs. Ferrari [Re: Heinz] #604060
18/11/19 04:11 PM
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Ive watched the incidents a few times and I can’t see who’s at fault in the Ferraris

Maybe Vettel ever so slightly turned left before he had fully passed but incredibly marginal

They were just racing too close but not dangerous in my opinion

As to Hamilton, don’t know what he did wrong either - there was a clear gap and he went for it, he was and Albion came right across him

Ok it was the inside racing line but Hamilton was briefly exactly alongside


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Re: Ferrari vs. Ferrari [Re: Heinz] #604064
18/11/19 05:03 PM
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A bit of inconsistency?
Hamilton gets 5s penalty.
Ferrari drivers get off scot free.
Vettel at the least was the one making an error by a small move left when both were literally wheel to wheel. No penalty?
Hamilton went for a gap left open and the gap was closed on him. Penalised. Albon lost out but why did he cut across and not stay wide?
Very marginal in my view as a “racing incident”but Hamilton won brownie points for admitting to the fault. Maybe Albon should have done so too?
Good to see some true racing by several drivers in this race. Max was awesome and deserved the win.
Great result for Honda too.
Ferrari have a history of internal politics over the years and that doesn’t help their situation. They seem to have shot themselves in the foot a few times this year. Shame, as the cars are quick.


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Re: Ferrari vs. Ferrari [Re: Heinz] #604074
18/11/19 06:48 PM
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I felt sorry for Le Clerc as he is the ascendant star whereas Vettel is very much a spent force these days and makes far too many errors at this level of the sport.

Hamilton acted and responded with consummate professionalism, you don't have to like his lifestyle off track but I do admire his true sporting spirit and sense of fair play. He is a shining example to the up and coming youngsters to the sport that tend to be spoilt kids in general.

Max has matured nicely and now managing to convert the skills to wins as well, he drove a blinder as did Albon, Christian must have been chuffed to bits.

A great race and I didn't mind who won there were some great overtakes there.


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Re: Ferrari vs. Ferrari [Re: sospan] #604139
19/11/19 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sospan
A bit of inconsistency?
Hamilton gets 5s penalty.
Ferrari drivers get off scot free.
Vettel at the least was the one making an error by a small move left when both were literally wheel to wheel. No penalty?
Hamilton went for a gap left open and the gap was closed on him. Penalised. Albon lost out but why did he cut across and not stay wide?
Very marginal in my view as a “racing incident”but Hamilton won brownie points for admitting to the fault. Maybe Albon should have done so too?
Good to see some true racing by several drivers in this race. Max was awesome and deserved the win.
Great result for Honda too.
Ferrari have a history of internal politics over the years and that doesn’t help their situation. They seem to have shot themselves in the foot a few times this year. Shame, as the cars are quick.


Totally agree, exciting race for a change & I thought the 'race police' had encouraged some elbows out stuff & said penalties for close racing incidents would NOT be unduly penalised, or words to that effect some time earlier this season


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Re: Ferrari vs. Ferrari [Re: Heinz] #604246
20/11/19 09:29 AM
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For what its worth, I would ask what would be the point of giving the Ferrari boys penalty points when they were both taken out. They didn't interfere with anyone else and surely the loss of championship points is enough of a penalty?
At the end of the day, the team in general have under performed throughout the season again!! Role on next season when I for one will be hoping for better things especially from Williams whom I would love to see back at the front.


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Re: Ferrari vs. Ferrari [Re: Heinz] #604323
20/11/19 04:35 PM
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Have you seen the enquiry that was launched following the recent GP. It would appear Ferrari have been using a loophole.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fuel-flow-clarification-ferrari-red-bull-fia/4591689/

re the penalty - imagine if it had not been two cars from the same team. That would have made it quite bad and deserving of a fine? Not to mention the ripping they would get back in the garage.


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