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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: BLG83] #605917
02/12/19 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BLG83
PlusSix = Z4 340 CV Price 78 000 £

PlusQuatre = Z4 2L 258 CV ? Price 65/68 000 £ ?

4/4 = Z4 2L 197 CV ? Price 55/58 000 £ ?

Genève 2020 ????


But if the Z4 is the donor just look at all the manual box options. LoL.
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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: pete757] #605998
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No Z4 manual options in Australia frown

I just hate automatic transmissions. So far I have had to take three out and throw them in the tip where they belong to replace with Manuals. My Nissan Silvia, my sons Silvia and then some idiot wrote off my sons car so we had to go though it all again. Last time coming into the house with auto gearbox fluid on me from what came out of the torque converter my mum who was staying with us said why don't you just buy manual cars to start off with. I replied because they are too hard to find but if I had a time machine I would go back and kill the idiot who invented the automatic gearbox, all cars would then be manual and life would be easy. She replied but what would I be able to drive and I replied the bus.

More seriously can I assume CV is the same as BHP? Would make sense seeing we get 145KW, 190KW and 250KW versions of the Z4 but all with 8 speed automatic

The prices in pounds by BLG83 look realistic but that would mean about $150,000 for the CX 4/4 in Australia and probably closer to $170,000 by the time people spec the options they want. Assuming the CX cars need to go though all the crash testing again in Australia to pass ADR (Australian Design Rules) then that cost would also need to be recovered adding a significant cost to each car. I would expect Morgan Cars Australia would not start the process unless they had at least 20 orders to spread the costs over. A CX 4/4 getting close to $200,000 might be just too high for anyone to want to buy let alone 20 people. Back in the 1970's these cars were cheaper than a typical family sedan but now would be over 4 times the price.

Also from what I can tell Australia has had a Morgan dealer in Melbourne for years and then got a new one in Perth but that was short lived as far as selling new cars for some reason. The Melbourne dealer is a husband and wife team who are both easily old to retire and I wouldn't be surprised if they believe the market is too small due to price increases or too hard to get the car passed for ADR's they would close down their business.

Assuming Morgan stop the Trad to only make the CX chassis could it be the end of Morgan sales in Australia?

Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: pete757] #606001
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I certainly wouldn't pay $150K for any car but there seem to be people out there with more money than they know what to do with. Even $100K AUD would make me think very carefully about it. Actually I'm surprised they even thought it worth while to get the M3W through ADR approval.


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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: pete757] #606009
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Peter, I agree. The most I have paid for a car is $45,000 AUD and generally don't borrow to buy a car. My view is if I can't afford to buy it then don't, unlike a house that generally is an appreciating asset that I am happy to borrow money for a car is generally a depreciating asset. Probably the reason I am doubting I will get a Morgan, I would want to save up rather than borrow as it is a luxury item and saving up that much without SWAMBO thinking of other ways of spending it is proving to be hard. smile

I think a lot of the expensive cars I see around are leased, the lease companies do nice presentations showing the more expensive car you buy the better your tax savings are. But in my view with the FBT rate of 20% you want to make sure the car is less than 5 times your yearly running costs, otherwise the tax benefits are gone even if they appear to be there on the lease companies quote. Note you don't pay FBT on the lease because you pay something else that is taken out before tax and equals the FBT amount but is used towards the running costs. So that means 20% of the value of the car is used for running costs after tax and the remainder is before tax which is where the savings are. So to get the best tax savings you want the cheapest car that is the most expensive to maintain. Anyway either as you say there are a lot of very rich people with more money than they know what to do with or a lot of people who lease cars thinking they are saving a fortune but they don't actually understand how it works so just believe the sales man and get upsold.

Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: ChrisConvertible] #606205
04/12/19 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisConvertible
No Z4 manual options in Australia frown

I just hate automatic transmissions. So far I have had to take three out and throw them in the tip where they belong to replace with Manuals. My Nissan Silvia, my sons Silvia and then some idiot wrote off my sons car so we had to go though it all again. Last time coming into the house with auto gearbox fluid on me from what came out of the torque converter my mum who was staying with us said why don't you just buy manual cars to start off with. I replied because they are too hard to find but if I had a time machine I would go back and kill the idiot who invented the automatic gearbox, all cars would then be manual and life would be easy. She replied but what would I be able to drive and I replied the bus.

More seriously can I assume CV is the same as BHP? Would make sense seeing we get 145KW, 190KW and 250KW versions of the Z4 but all with 8 speed automatic

The prices in pounds by BLG83 look realistic but that would mean about $150,000 for the CX 4/4 in Australia and probably closer to $170,000 by the time people spec the options they want. Assuming the CX cars need to go though all the crash testing again in Australia to pass ADR (Australian Design Rules) then that cost would also need to be recovered adding a significant cost to each car. I would expect Morgan Cars Australia would not start the process unless they had at least 20 orders to spread the costs over. A CX 4/4 getting close to $200,000 might be just too high for anyone to want to buy let alone 20 people. Back in the 1970's these cars were cheaper than a typical family sedan but now would be over 4 times the price.

Also from what I can tell Australia has had a Morgan dealer in Melbourne for years and then got a new one in Perth but that was short lived as far as selling new cars for some reason. The Melbourne dealer is a husband and wife team who are both easily old to retire and I wouldn't be surprised if they believe the market is too small due to price increases or too hard to get the car passed for ADR's they would close down their business.

Assuming Morgan stop the Trad to only make the CX chassis could it be the end of Morgan sales in Australia?



Morgan Cars Australia have confirmed that sales of the Plus 4 an Roadster has been suspended for Australia until the third quarter of 2020.

The plus 6 will be homologated for Australia with orders taken from second quarter 2020 with an expected BASE RETAIL price in excess of A$220,000.00

The M3W is still available in OZ.


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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: ChrisConvertible] #606231
04/12/19 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisConvertible


I just hate automatic transmissions. So far I have had to take three out and throw them in the tip where they belong to replace with Manuals.



These days you would have throw out Ferraris, Lamborghinis and most other performance cars. Very few manuals on high performance cars.....


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Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: OZ 4/4] #606252
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Originally Posted by OZ 4/4


Morgan Cars Australia have confirmed that sales of the Plus 4 an Roadster has been suspended for Australia until the third quarter of 2020.

The plus 6 will be homologated for Australia with orders taken from second quarter 2020 with an expected BASE RETAIL price in excess of A$220,000.00

The M3W is still available in OZ.



Thanks for the update, I assume that is though the Morgan club as there is nothing on their website. If the Plus 6 is going to be in excess of $220,000 then my guess of a CX 4/4 being over $150,000 is probably right.

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Originally Posted by ChrisConvertible


I just hate automatic transmissions. So far I have had to take three out and throw them in the tip where they belong to replace with Manuals.



These days you would have throw out Ferraris, Lamborghinis and most other performance cars. Very few manuals on high performance cars.....

Don't worry I will never afford one to buy and then throw out the gearbox. Even if I won millions in Lotto I doubt I would buy one anyway when my street has six speed bumps, the top speed limit in my state is 100kph and 110kph in the next state, I still believe driving a slow car fast is more fun than a fast car slow, the current Plus 4 has more appeal to me than a Lamborghini. But if I did by a high performance supercar after a large lotto win I assume I could find a place to do a gearbox swap even if it did mean a gearbox from an earlier model.

Re: The Plus Six 'bugs me' [Re: OZ 4/4] #606307
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Originally Posted by OZ 4/4
Morgan Cars Australia have confirmed that sales of the Plus 4 an Roadster has been suspended for Australia until the third quarter of 2020.

The plus 6 will be homologated for Australia with orders taken from second quarter 2020 with an expected BASE RETAIL price in excess of A$220,000.00

The M3W is still available in OZ.

So "on the road" with a few options it will be around AUD$300K!
I wonder how many they expect to sell at that price. A long way removed from the economical small sorty car of the original Morgan.


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