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Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: howard] #609546
23/12/19 10:57 PM
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Here's a company that convert classic cars to electric....

Electric Classic Cars

I'm between a rock and a hard place - could never really afford to convert my Morgan, and until electric car prices drop dramatically I've got no chance of buying one - I usually spend about £500 to £750 every two or three years on an economy runabout, then scrap it and buy a new one. Cheap tax and insurance and get about 45+mpg. Do my own servicing which also keeps costs right down.
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Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: howard] #609547
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They seem to do a nice job looking at their website but did you look at the prices and weights of the components in their online shop. The Porsche they mention has two motors and 54KWh of batteries so adding it up gives

Motors - £4,000 and 52KG by 2 = £8,000 and 104KG
Batteries - £1,200 and 26KG by 10 to make 54KWh = £12,000 and 260KG
Vehicle charging unit - £1,800 and 75KG.

That is about £22,000 and well over 400KG for just those three major components, plus I am sure there are a lot of other components needed, sure some weight is removed but I expect nowhere near 400KG. There are similar options in Australia but to convert say a MGB works out roughly to about $50,000AUD from looking at the on-line shops trying to decide what parts I would need. I only spend about $750AUD a year on petrol now for my car and $1900AUD for my wife's car because she drives a lot further.

Buying a cheap runabout seems sensible to me for now, at least if the car economy changes significantly you don't have a lot of money tied up.

Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: howard] #609548
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Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: howard] #609556
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Originally Posted by howard
The movement to electric family cars is now really beginning to ramp up with models coming in from all manufacturers. This is an international government campaign and you can be sure that there will increasingly be both incentive for electric and penalties for petrol. It won't be long before petrol stations start to close and it becomes more difficult to get fuel for an ICE. Difficult but not impossible.

I can see HMG making special arrangements for classics but that won't cover cars made between 80/85 and now which they see as simply old cars. And this is likely to trash the value of such cars.

How do you plan to approach this scenario. Or are you confident it won't happen in you driving lifetime.



The latter. The public will be underestimated again by politicians.

And whilst on the subject, how could a true classic remain so after converting to electric confused2


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Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: RichardV6] #609562
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Originally Posted by Richard Wood
And whilst on the subject, how could a true classic remain so after converting to electric confused2


It's a good point. I think it was FIVA who said that conversions should not be classed as 'classic'

I suppose it's all down to what you use your car for. if it's an 'investment' or a 'show pony' then I can see the point in keeping it all original.

However, if it's a loved and well used car, I can't personally see the problem. Mine is 'technically' a classic, however I've changed the suspension lights, seating, heating, dash, hood frame etc. so it's very different to how it came out the factory. I will continue to adapt and change to suit my own circumstances.and needs.

I'd certainly consider an electric conversion if a) it meant I could continue to use her in the way I currently do (she's fairly economical at around 36+mpg, however if fuel prices rose dramatically in a push to EV, then I wouldn't be able to afford to run her) and b) EV conversions dropped considerable in price (under £10K)


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Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: howard] #609602
24/12/19 01:34 PM
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Well, as I'm reading this my i3 is re-charging in the Hotel car park & I'm looking forward to our afternoon tea, currently being prepped (I hope) TTFN wine


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Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: sospan] #609608
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Originally Posted by sospan
It is not going to happen overnight. There will be a gradual demonising of ICE with emissions managed cities, fuel duty ( it is needed to fund other costs) slow infrastructure development, the looming battery life time limit, continued high purchase cost for private ownership.
Next year will have Brexit issues to occupy the politicians ( mind you they could slip in some ICE cash cow changes) and during the transition period there will be plenty of things to occupy them.
The large majority from the election would help push through changes but which ones and when?
A taffmogger knows a major car dealership boss who is pulling his hair out over used EV prices. The battery life issue is causing high depreciation. Who wants to buy an EV when the battery warranty is about to stop? Renault are offering a battery rental option on cars but at what cost (£80/month I think). I don’t know the cost of a replacement and who bears it though.
Me? Happy to keep ICE but might be tempted by hybrid if the maths was OK.



Batteries are lasting much longer than anyone thought, the first electric mass market car the Nissan Leaf came out in 2010 and there are plenty of this vintage still running albeit with about an average of 8-9% battery degradation. However more recent battery technology has seen this level of degradation diminish to around 3-4%.
Battery EV’s are actually increasing in value, I have been offered a very good deal by Nissan to trade in my 2018 Nissan leaf but at present I don’t feel the need to do so.
I have the Leaf and also a 2018 Hyundai Kona ev, both of which are great cars. The Kona will do around 250-260 miles on a charge and during the summer my solar array charges the car for free. At the moment I’m paying about £5 a charge as I’m on a special Edf tariff at 8p per kWh, and solar doesn’t produce as much in the winter.
I still have my plus 8 and use it as much as I can, weather permitting, I think the ev switch is going to be quicker than most people think. Most of the big manufacturers are launching ev’s in 2020, Honda, VW, BMW Peugeot to name but a few.
I don’t imagine the total switch is imminent but progressing a lot quicker than most would imagine, as for cost there are cars available at reasonable prices on the the used market so it’s a fallacy to imagine “they’re out of reach of most people”.

As for charging infrastructure I have managed several long distance journeys to Plymouth and back a few times, Liverpool a couple of times and oxford regularly, yes it takes a bit of planning but the charging infrastructure is increasing at a very fast pace and there are now more charge points than petrol stations.

If you haven’t tried an ev please do, they are amazing vehicles, and I haven’t even mentioned not just the cheap cost of running them, as they don’t have the need for oil changes, cam belt changes, new exhausts, clutches, gearboxes that an ice car has the overall cost of ownership is very much less.

Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: robmog88] #609609
24/12/19 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by robmog88
I think the ev switch is going to be quicker than most people think.


I think you are absolutely right, Rob. In 15 years time people still running ICE vehicles are going to be social outcasts like smokers are today.


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Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: Hamwich] #609610
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I think the ev switch is going to be quicker than most people think.


I think you are absolutely right, Rob. In 15 years time people still running ICE vehicles are going to be social outcasts like smokers are today.



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Re: Morgan and the electric car [Re: robmog88] #609611
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Originally Posted by robmog88
as for cost there are cars available at reasonable prices on the the used market so it’s a fallacy to imagine “they’re out of reach of most people”.


Just had a scan on ebay - can't find much second hand for under £5000 so are going to need to drop a fair amount before I'd consider them 'affordable'....


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