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garage kit #611582
08/01/20 12:06 PM
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I have just been granted planning permission for a double garage and I am looking for advice on a few things..
I am going to get a mid rise scissor lift..which are the best to buy?
any tips on a de-humidifier?
Is the best floor covering carpet tiles?
the garage will be rendered blockwork with a pitched roof, what is the best material to insulate it?
I don't expect it to take too long to build but the problem with living in York is as soon as you start digging holes a roman or viking pops his head up.

David Byrne

Re: garage kit [Re: B3MOG] #611584
08/01/20 12:28 PM
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Hi David, check out strong man tools, I purchase a chifton 3ton scissor lift in 2018, best bit of kit I've every bought since I do maintenance on 7 motors, there also have another lift called the Tamar 2.7ton and half the price of the chifton, which I'm considering buying at the March NEC restoration show.
I would recommend strong man tools, the build quality is excellent, and go for the Tamar if working on the Morgan


Mal

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Re: garage kit [Re: B3MOG] #611589
08/01/20 12:48 PM
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Quite a few options for you, if you have the roof space you could get a proper two post lift some of which can be mounted into the floor so they sit flush and hidden when not in use - great for low cars (i.e. Mogs) and not tripping over, takes a bit more time and floor depth to do but well worth it imo.

As for floor covering I always use carpet tiles, they are warm, insulated, easy to swap out and pleasant to work with. They are also suprisingly stain resistant, cheap and easy to fit in the first place, plus you can get creative using multiple colours or directions of the weave to achieve appropriate effects. That being said if you want a really solid stable surface for jacking on, or using stands (I would imagine the lift would negate this though) then a sold tiled floor might be best with a full bed under to stop cracking.

If you are doing a brick outer skin, and blockwork internally then I would insulate between - for aesthetics rendering the blocks inside would look nice or you could properly plasterboard etc.

De-humidifiers you want a dessicant unit, condensing are of no use in the UK as they don't work at lower temperatures and really its winter when you need it due to the additional humidity and the lower temps meaning the air doesn't hold as much moisture before condensation occurs.

I currently use an ecoAir DD322FW CLASSIC (X DRY), had this for years and years and it keeps on going (about 7 years now). It was sent away for one repair under warranty which was FOC.
I also have a Meaco Zambizi which was a replacement for the ecoAir when I thought it died, it seemed to be one of the most highly specced dessicant units.. but the ecoAir came back to life so the Meaco has been sat in the loft for a year now.

Also make sure you get the correct garage doors - roller doors and sectional doors are fantastic for sealing the apperture and stopping debris, dirt and moisture getting in, so make sure you garage has sufficient roof height to allow installation of both to keep your options open.
For sectional doors no one beats Hormann, for roller doors SWS Secure Xcel is the best, or again use Hormann. If going SWS upgrade the motors to Somfy (german units) as they are better and the main reason I chose SWS initially, although since then I have been very impressed with their door quality.

Hope that helps - bit of a ramble there!

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Re: garage kit [Re: B3MOG] #611593
08/01/20 01:16 PM
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David, if I was building from new I would design the floor slab to have a deep enough trough / recess to house the height of the scissor lift when closed, generally they stand proud 3 - 4 inches & can snag on a Mog

I ended up having to build some neat timber ramps to clear mine & in hindsight regretted the issue of a scissor becoming a tripping hazard too

If you're doing a pukka pitched roof use oversized joists so that you can fully board it - makes a fabulous store & it's surprising how many Mog spares it will house


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Re: garage kit [Re: B3MOG] #611603
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I guess you will be sure to insist that the floor slab has good damp proofing and drainage around... a damp floor can screw up the whole show...? I used attic trusses on my garage to provide storage space the posibility of flooring and to allow the garage space to be insulated as I plaster plated the ceiling, I also fitted all insulated doors. If you concentrate on insulation, you could reduce the chance of humidity, and reduce the long term electrical loading/ costs on dehum...?

I fitted a smoke detector in the attic, and heat detector in the garage space, connected to the system in the house...

Good luck with the build..

Re: garage kit [Re: B3MOG] #611604
08/01/20 02:43 PM
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I remember when building an inspection pit into a garage was a good idea!

Re: garage kit [Re: B3MOG] #611605
08/01/20 02:54 PM
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I dug a pit, and it has paid for itself over and over...……….. Double skinned concrete blocks, lined with Visqueen, and no sign of damp or water.

Carpet tiles are my cover of choice for the reasons given above. I source mine from E-Bay and get commercial grade. Painted floors look very professional, and my floor has been cream, grey, then red, but the paint doesn't wear well in a used environment, and carpet tiles are warmer to lay on.


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Re: garage kit [Re: mal] #611606
08/01/20 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mal
Hi David, check out strong man tools, I purchase a chifton 3ton scissor lift in 2018, best bit of kit I've every bought since I do maintenance on 7 motors, there also have another lift called the Tamar 2.7ton and half the price of the chifton, which I'm considering buying at the March NEC restoration show.
I would recommend strong man tools, the build quality is excellent, and go for the Tamar if working on the Morgan


Another vote for the Strongman Tamar, I have one and it's pretty much perfect for the Morgan.

As for insulation, I have 150mm Celotex in the roof and 100mm blown rockwool in the wall cavity. A better option than carpet tiles for the floor is interlocking plastic like Ecotiles. Use LED battens for lighting.


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Re: garage kit [Re: B3MOG] #611608
08/01/20 03:17 PM
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Hi David B

For my garage I used a single skin brickwork and blockwork to the ground floor (brickwork where exposed) and timber studwork for the first floor, then cladded with waney edge boarding. For insulation in the roof storage area I used 100mm Celotex between the roofing rafters and 50mm celotex over the face with plasterboard / skim coat. In the garage itself I stuck 50mm celotex to the inside walls, with 12.5mm wbp plywood plugged and screwed over the face of the celotex (ply is good for hanging tools on) Its a concrete floor slab with damp proofing and carpet tiles for floor finishes. No need for dehumidifier.

I hope this helps.

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Re: garage kit [Re: B3MOG] #611609
08/01/20 03:27 PM
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I would consider looking at the EZ Car Lift (Holden sell them in the UK). Better than a scissor lift as it gives all round access to the vehicle, no hydraulics to deal with, adjustable to any height in the range, very stable, easily moved and can be stored flat against the wall. A big advantage I find is having the detachable wheels allowing me to move the Morgans easily around the garage, the lift can also be used for a multitude of tasks outside of Morgan maintenance.


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