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Re: Another Plus6 review [Re: milligoon] #612068
11/01/20 12:03 PM
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I thought that T/C was a mandatory on new road vehicles so am a little surprised however the programming of T/C, Anti-Lock and all the other modern marvels is not something to underestimate. There are complete departments in BMW and other companies that just do the settings etc. I spoke to one chap and the different scenarios they consider are actually mind boggling. Snow, dry snow, wet snow, mud, wet, torrential, slide, half on road +++++. Then we add all of those under braking or acceleration. This changes when we add steering lock as the rotational speed may change as a result. All of this is normally running against the brake sensors for the wheel rotational speed.

I also noted that the first thing they do for the test is to (try) and turn off all of the nanny functions for the track so they could feel the car not the electronics. Given how deeply intrusive the T/C is on the ML63 in general driving I do feel it's no bad thing to have a natural drivetrain in all except extreme conditions. Then again I have not been in a ditch for a LONG time now and it only takes one reminder to hurt your pride and insurance. On a track the nannies do get in the way a lot more. If you go back and read the road tests of the first M3 which had turbo IL6 instead of V8 many of the comments about lumps of turbo-torque sound a touch like the PlusSix review. The question is what could they have fitted which was better, I don't think they are allowed to change the engine map without voiding the WLTP/Emissions stuff which would make the whole thing a lot bigger problem and probably have stopped the financial viability of the car in the worst case?

As an aside when the S2 went in for last MOT/Service I got a BMW agent to do the MOT for me to see what a fresh set of eyes would find. The young engineer doing the MoT was really good and highlighted that the rear ABS sensors were going to fail soon due to the rings. Apparently the sensors work against a ring around the driveshaft and as these get old they swell and sitort slightly which causes them to rub against the sensor. He said these came from a 1 series and it was well known for having this problem as well. When driving you can hear a road speed related ting/click noise and I had wondered if this was down to handbrake but this put me right. He said the replacement was easy and should be done soonish to avoid damage to the sensor.

Just time to burn a little more petrol before dinner.
Re: Another Plus6 review [Re: Alistair] #612101
11/01/20 04:28 PM
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Low volume manufacture is not subject to the same levels of "red tape", so T/C etc. not mandatory, yet.
Although that could be changed at any time.

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