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Any Owners views? #616440
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It must be approaching a year since the PlusSix release.

Currently 10 are for sale on the Morgan website.

We have had much discussion on the new model, the pro's and con's extensively debated.
Learned members have given free advice to Morgan regarding future model direction, engine size, specification and price.

But unless I am mistaken there is not one owner comment.
Where is the 'Have you driven your Morgan today' thread?

Are the cars only selling to collectors, any Talk Morgan member would be unable to contain themselves! smile

Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616449
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Originally Posted by johncc
Are the cars only selling to collectors, any Talk Morgan member would be unable to contain themselves! smile

Well it is well known that the PlusSix is not a true Morgan since it doesn't have a wooden chassis and grease required every 500 miles.


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: Gambalunga] #616480
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I am confused........I thought no Morgan had a wooden chassis, that it is only the frame that's wooden.


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616481
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No it’s wooden except during the last war when there was a shortage, and it was made of rubber


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616482
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I dont know how many hav been sold to real people in the UK. There are a few for sale but the ones I have come across are either dealer new stock or dealer demo cars they want to move on. None have more than 800 miles on them.

The car market isnt booming particulalry for the expensive specialist cars and pre brexit people were sitting on their wallets. I doubt that many have been sold in the UK.

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Originally Posted by SFG
No it’s wooden except during the last war when there was a shortage, and it was made of rubber


That would have made it a very bouncy ride...............ha ha


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: MorganWife] #616519
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Originally Posted by MorganWife
Originally Posted by SFG
No it’s wooden except during the last war when there was a shortage, and it was made of rubber


That would have made it a very bouncy ride...............ha ha


The story about a wooden chassis is a result, I was told, of confusion caused by the word the Brits and the Americans use to describe bits of a car.

We say chassis, they say frame.

A Morgan has a wooden coach built body with a wooden frame. Wooden frame (UK) = Wooden Chassis (USA)......

And so the legend grows....


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616529
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Originally Posted by johncc
It must be approaching a year since the PlusSix release.

Currently 10 are for sale on the Morgan website.

We have had much discussion on the new model, the pro's and con's extensively debated.
Learned members have given free advice to Morgan regarding future model direction, engine size, specification and price.

But unless I am mistaken there is not one owner comment.
Where is the 'Have you driven your Morgan today' thread?

Are the cars only selling to collectors, any Talk Morgan member would be unable to contain themselves! smile

Just to drag us back onto the OP's initial question grin2

We have at least 2 owners on TM that have commented very favourably, the comments are among the farcical amount of threads that were generated at the CX launch time, so will take a bit of finding.

It was encouraging reading after lots of the dismissive reports other "experts" had written and I wish them many happy safe miles.


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616551
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Are they still alive..? Dangerous cars, y'know..


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616553
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I was assuming their recent silence was a sign of satisfaction--but you never know.

It seems to be the Demo's that are getting munched by the inexperienced jockeys grin2

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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616569
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Originally Posted by johncc
It must be approaching a year since the PlusSix release.

Currently 10 are for sale on the Morgan website.

We have had much discussion on the new model, the pro's and con's extensively debated.
Learned members have given free advice to Morgan regarding future model direction, engine size, specification and price.

But unless I am mistaken there is not one owner comment.
Where is the 'Have you driven your Morgan today' thread?

Are the cars only selling to collectors, any Talk Morgan member would be unable to contain themselves! smile



A plus six has been bought by a member of the East Anglia Morgan club , he owned a supersport until then .


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616590
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Accident damaged plus 6 currently on Ebay


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616633
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What a shame !!!!...hope occupants ok...only 81 miles run.

Asking £53,000


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'Interesting' wheels... look like those fitted to the 'Speedster'...?


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: pete757] #616670
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Originally Posted by pete757
'Interesting' wheels... look like those fitted to the 'Speedster'...?



Yes - you have to pay extra for the “Plus Six” wheels!

Re: Any Owners views? [Re: Jon G4LJW] #616681
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Originally Posted by Jon G4LJW
Originally Posted by pete757
'Interesting' wheels... look like those fitted to the 'Speedster'...?



Yes - you have to pay extra for the “Plus Six” wheels!


Is that + 4 for the car + 2 spares? hide


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Originally Posted by KEVFITZ
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What a shame !!!!...hope occupants ok...only 81 miles run.

Asking £53,000


Who says Morgan drivers are careful old chaps !

I like the alloys , same as mine !

Last edited by madmax; 11/02/20 01:21 PM.

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Originally Posted by KEVFITZ
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Interesting to see the new Tesla CyberVan prototype parked up next to the Transit. getcoat


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616713
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looking at the advert on e-bay. difficult to see any chassis damage. Owners tel looks to be Ripely area.
Shame beautiful car, might have been tail ended, but i'd put money on spun.


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: Gambalunga] #616714
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Originally Posted by Gambalunga
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Originally Posted by pete757
'Interesting' wheels... look like those fitted to the 'Speedster'...?



Yes - you have to pay extra for the “Plus Six” wheels!


Is that + 4 for the car + 2 spares? hide


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: KEVFITZ] #616724
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Originally Posted by KEVFITZ
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What a shame !!!!...hope occupants ok...only 81 miles run.

Asking £53,000


I think I would be a bit nervous. Lotus cars with that sort of damage are ofte written off as unrepairable in reality because you cannot pull a glued ally stucture straight in the way you can a steel one. Has the plus 6 got a sacrificial front and rear frame? I believe the Evora has at the front but not the rear. So the car has been bought from the insurance company as a write off described as repairable but I wonder if it is.

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Originally Posted by howard
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What a shame !!!!...hope occupants ok...only 81 miles run.

Asking £53,000


I think I would be a bit nervous. Lotus cars with that sort of damage are ofte written off as unrepairable in reality because you cannot pull a glued ally stucture straight in the way you can a steel one. Has the plus 6 got a sacrificial front and rear frame? I believe the Evora has at the front but not the rear. So the car has been bought from the insurance company as a write off described as repairable but I wonder if it is.


Yes, it will be interesting to see how the insurance industry responds.

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There are no repair methods for a "bonded and riveted chassis".

IF the chassis on that car is damaged the only repair is a new one.....


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It’s a CAT so structural would need registered with DVLA etc.. looks like it was from Berrybrook.

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I also think at that asking price it is totally over priced?


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: johncc] #616747
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I was talking to Henry at Williams about this today.
It was spun, on the way home from the supplying dealer.
The early arrival of a massive amount of torque catches people out, and once the back end has gone that is it.
As with the NL car, a low mileage on green tyres summer and a cold wet road, plus the arrival of all the torque at low revs played their part.
As much the driver as the car, but for those used to computer managed traction and stability aids the Plus Six will bite..hard.
Winter tyres and possibly a better suspension set up would help, but driver training/awareness are key.


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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: Peter J] #616753
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Originally Posted by Peter J
I was talking to Henry at Williams about this today.
It was spun, on the way home from the supplying dealer.
The early arrival of a massive amount of torque catches people out, and once the back end has gone that is it.
As with the NL car, a low mileage on green tyres summer and a cold wet road, plus the arrival of all the torque at low revs played their part.
As much the driver as the car, but for those used to computer managed traction and stability aids the Plus Six will bite..hard.
Winter tyres and possibly a better suspension set up would help, but driver training/awareness are key.


You'd be gutted, wouldn't you..?

Poor bugger..


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What confusies me is that I found the power delivery rather linear when I test drove the Plus Six.
Of course, I did not give it A full throttle at once, but did test its power a few times. Road was wettish then. Not once did I get the feeling the car would loose traction or that increase of power or torque were in any way ‘sudden‘. But maybe I was just lucky...

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Originally Posted by 60Yards
What confusies me is that I found the power delivery rather linear when I test drove the Plus Six.
Of course, I did not give it A full throttle at once, but did test its power a few times. Road was wettish then. Not once did I get the feeling the car would loose traction or that increase of power or torque were in any way ‘sudden‘. But maybe I was just lucky...


Maybe you depressed the throttle smoothly rather than stamping on it. But there may be other explanations for these accidents. Impossible to know just yet. Possibly it's one of those statistical blips, possibly it's something for the MMC to worry about.

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Originally Posted by howard
Originally Posted by KEVFITZ
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What a shame !!!!...hope occupants ok...only 81 miles run.

Asking £53,000


I think I would be a bit nervous. Lotus cars with that sort of damage are ofte written off as unrepairable in reality because you cannot pull a glued ally stucture straight in the way you can a steel one. Has the plus 6 got a sacrificial front and rear frame? I believe the Evora has at the front but not the rear. So the car has been bought from the insurance company as a write off described as repairable but I wonder if it is.

Catalytic recycling? Surely Catastrophic would be more appropriate?
According to "Lotus Evora - sublime Supercar" by Johnny Tipler, both ends Howard smile
If it was a Berrybrook customer, Neville mentioned it to a couple of us at the factory a week or so back.

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Re: Any Owners views? [Re: MDS61] #616785
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Originally Posted by MDS61
I also think at that asking price it is totally over priced?



I agree totally


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I am sure "someone" will say the PlusSix is dangerous, anytime soon.... innocent


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Originally Posted by 60Yards
.....I found the power delivery rather linear when I test drove the Plus Six.
Of course, I did not give it A full throttle at once, but did test its power a few times. Road was wettish then. Not once did I get the feeling the car would loose traction or that increase of power or torque were in any way ‘sudden‘. But maybe I was just lucky...


Same here - But then, even in the Plus 4, I try to avoid stomping on the accelerator!

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It would be interesting to know if the unhappy drivers had a Morgan before, even if it was just a 4/4 or Plus 4. I would guess that the drivers who had a Mog in the past perhaps have more respect than drivers who are completely new in this world. What I want to say is that it is not only the huge amount of power of the Plus Six but also to learn how such a light weight car behaves.


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I know one of the boys on here came from a background of an Aero +8 so will be well versed in a loose back end, I can't recall what the other Plus Six owner came from but I know it was a 4 wheeled Morgan grin2 certainly both owners expressed delight in the new model thumbs.


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