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Re: 3 Write-Offs?
[Re: The Flitting]
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16/02/20 02:02 PM
16/02/20 02:02 PM
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Devonshire
+8Rich
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Tricky Dicky
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Where as I don't know the cause of these unfortunate crashes one of the;issues' I am experiencing with my Plus 6 is the relationship between the brake and accelerator pedal. The brake pedal has a fair travel distance before the brakes start being applied, this mean that the brake pedal is below the height of the accelerator before the brakes come one which can result that in the narrow cockpit (and with size 11 feet) it so very very easy for your braking foot to push down on the of of the accelerator as well as apply the brakes if your foot is not exactly square onto the brake pedal.
In an emergency braking situation it would be so easy to apply the accelerator as well as the brakes if you foot is even lightly off square. I can only imagine the consequences in a car with so much power and torque
Did a test on my and neighbours cars yesterday and found that on all of them the brakes were full applied before the brake pedal went below the top of the accelerator pedal. Have dropped a note to Morgan about this and hope a fix is found a.s.a.p That is a very good pointer from an owners perspective, thanks for that and may it serve as a timely warning for any trial jockeys at the dealers. I guess these days everyone is use to one foot operation of these cars and tuck the left foot out of the way as I do on automatics.
Regards Richard
1999 Indigo Blue +8
2009 4/4 Sport Green prev
1993 Connaught Green +8 prev
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Re: 3 Write-Offs?
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16/02/20 02:42 PM
16/02/20 02:42 PM
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Northamptonshire UK
SBM
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Or, you could simply move the braking foot a centimetre to the left in use..
Steve
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Re: 3 Write-Offs?
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16/02/20 02:53 PM
16/02/20 02:53 PM
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Cheltenham, Glos. UK
Graham, G4FUJ
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Or, you could simply move the braking foot a centimetre to the left in use.. Something I have to do in the MINI. OK I'm not wearing driving shoes in that, but there is a decided lack of space between the two pedals and the brake actuation height is lower than the throttle pedal.
Graham (G4FUJ) D8921 L44FOR '93 4/4 Giallo Fly 2 seat  '90 LR 90 SW '09 Alfa Romeo MiTo
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Re: 3 Write-Offs?
[Re: MOG 615]
#617609
16/02/20 03:11 PM
16/02/20 03:11 PM
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nick w
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The Plus 8 which wasn't available for test drives doesn't seem to have suffered the same problem.
My understanding is that Aero +8 also suffered a larger number of write-offs than is the case with trads, but perhaps they were not quite so public? Again it is outside my area of expertise but i was informed this was due to the very short rear overhang (compared to the other Aero 8 variants) which made the tail end VERY tricky to catch when on the limit. All I know was that when I drove a demo car (the white one with a Union flag on the bonnet) I was really surprised when the VANOS system suddenly "dumped" a whole load of extra torque to the rear wheels at about 4.000 rpm. Luckily I was going up hill on a straight road at the time, otherwise it would have been a very different story to tell. Strangely I had the opposite experience. On a factory demo day I drove an Aero Supersports, the roads were a little greasy, and it started to go sideways when I applied power. I had to be very careful. I then went out in an Aero +8 and it was altogether much more predictable and stable. But with any (especially rear wheel drive) car with this sort of power a great deal of respect is required isn't it. I'm pretty sure a young person driving my Series one Roadster would get into trouble very quickly (or very quickly get into trouble). I think my age group were lucky. When we were young drivers the cars just weren't powerful enough so when I lost the MG Midget on a bend there was plenty of time to catch it and correct it. Thus we were eased into more powerful cars as time went on. Nick
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Re: 3 Write-Offs?
[Re: The Flitting]
#617622
16/02/20 04:06 PM
16/02/20 04:06 PM
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Hertfordshire
Obie
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Learner Plates Off!
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Hertfordshire
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Where as I don't know the cause of these unfortunate crashes one of the;issues' I am experiencing with my Plus 6 is the relationship between the brake and accelerator pedal. The brake pedal has a fair travel distance before the brakes start being applied, this mean that the brake pedal is below the height of the accelerator before the brakes come one which can result that in the narrow cockpit (and with size 11 feet) it so very very easy for your braking foot to push down on the of of the accelerator as well as apply the brakes if your foot is not exactly square onto the brake pedal.
In an emergency braking situation it would be so easy to apply the accelerator as well as the brakes if you foot is even lightly off square. I can only imagine the consequences in a car with so much power and torque
Did a test on my and neighbours cars yesterday and found that on all of them the brakes were full applied before the brake pedal went below the top of the accelerator pedal. Have dropped a note to Morgan about this and hope a fix is found a.s.a.p Not saying this is the case with your vehicle but some cars have a brake throttle override system where the power is cut or reduced when braking. Easy to test by left foot braking while on the gas, gently of course, don't want any more accidents!
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Re: 3 Write-Offs?
[Re: The Flitting]
#617651
16/02/20 06:00 PM
16/02/20 06:00 PM
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Posts: 1,725
Staffordshire
IvorMog
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Staffordshire
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Where as I don't know the cause of these unfortunate crashes one of the;issues' I am experiencing with my Plus 6 is the relationship between the brake and accelerator pedal. The brake pedal has a fair travel distance before the brakes start being applied, this mean that the brake pedal is below the height of the accelerator before the brakes come one which can result that in the narrow cockpit (and with size 11 feet) it so very very easy for your braking foot to push down on the of of the accelerator as well as apply the brakes if your foot is not exactly square onto the brake pedal.
In an emergency braking situation it would be so easy to apply the accelerator as well as the brakes if you foot is even lightly off square. I can only imagine the consequences in a car with so much power and torque
Did a test on my and neighbours cars yesterday and found that on all of them the brakes were full applied before the brake pedal went below the top of the accelerator pedal. Have dropped a note to Morgan about this and hope a fix is found a.s.a.p I find that, if one drives the car often enough, one quickly gets used to the pedal positions no matter how awkward they might feel at first.
Bob
2009 Black Roadster
1999 4/4 2 litre Zetec
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Re: 3 Write-Offs?
[Re: MOG 615]
#617657
16/02/20 06:31 PM
16/02/20 06:31 PM
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Posts: 855
Hampton Hill, Middx.
DavidR
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Hampton Hill, Middx.
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Just my thoughts, most of us are so cosseted by modern cars, they are comfortable, smooth and with all the electronic wizardry can correct our silliness before we even know we have reached it!
I'm sure the majority of performance car owners would have no problem, whereas some of the new target audience for the +6 have hopped straight out of their electronically moderated safety box and excpect the same from the new Mog.
David
Aero S4
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