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Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: meabh] #613818
24/01/20 03:13 PM
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The +4 has a remote extension which is not installed on the 4/4.

The feel is very different. I vaguely remember a TM member posting a thread re fixing a problem with the gear change extension on their +4.


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Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: meabh] #613829
24/01/20 04:36 PM
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So that explains my initial surprise when moving from the MT75 to the Mazda. I was expecting ‘rifle bolt’ precision but it’s more ‘pudding stirrer’ which is at odds with what people say, fifth gear in particular.

But the ratios are soooo much nicer….. smile


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Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: meabh] #613849
24/01/20 07:56 PM
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When I remember correctly it was Gambalunga who had once some trouble with the extension of the Mazda gear box in his Plus4. The only complain I can report regarding the Mazda box in my 4/4 is, that the gear knob is not vertical but angled so that the hand can reach it. Therefore you always have the feeling you are shifting uphill when you shift into third or fifth. But on the other way it is the good direct feeling of the Mazda box.
Altogether the arrangement in the 4/4 indicates that the engine is installed more to the rear than in the Plus4 which is a good thing re the 4/4.


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Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: meabh] #613864
24/01/20 09:26 PM
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My gear change improved once I filled it to the tilt line!!


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Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: Heinz] #613901
25/01/20 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Heinz
When I remember correctly it was Gambalunga who had once some trouble with the extension of the Mazda gear box in his Plus4. The only complain I can report regarding the Mazda box in my 4/4 is, that the gear knob is not vertical but angled so that the hand can reach it. Therefore you always have the feeling you are shifting uphill when you shift into third or fifth. But on the other way it is the good direct feeling of the Mazda box.
Altogether the arrangement in the 4/4 indicates that the engine is installed more to the rear than in the Plus4 which is a good thing re the 4/4.

In the end it was not the remote but the gear box itself. It was jammed in second gear and nothing I could do could fix it. It was a gearbox out job frown


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Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: meabh] #613966
25/01/20 07:15 PM
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On start up there is an initial rise in revs for what seems like a couple of seconds before mine settles down to a 900 rpm tick-over. Today I found that it would pull away from cold in third which was a mistake on my part but interesting never the less. Do you not find second gear to be a very strong gear too? I haven't had the opportunity to have someone put a stopwatch on second but it seems very quick indeed - actually a laugh out loud gear. Otherwise I do like its ability to potter around in fifth where possible. 30kph seems very comfortable. The car rides very well too -adjustable Spax and brake reaction bars and panhard rod. It is not I imagine going to be like a cx P4 but perfectly acceptable and even pressing on on an undulating road surface, it feels planted. This was what I was hoping other owners would comment on. Our roads are by the way, often free of traffic for minutes at a time.

Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: meabh] #613973
25/01/20 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by meabh
On start up there is an initial rise in revs for what seems like a couple of seconds before mine settles down to a 900 rpm tick-over. Today I found that it would pull away from cold in third which was a mistake on my part but interesting never the less. Do you not find second gear to be a very strong gear too? I haven't had the opportunity to have someone put a stopwatch on second but it seems very quick indeed - actually a laugh out loud gear. Otherwise I do like its ability to potter around in fifth where possible. 30kph seems very comfortable. The car rides very well too -adjustable Spax and brake reaction bars and panhard rod. It is not I imagine going to be like a cx P4 but perfectly acceptable and even pressing on on an undulating road surface, it feels planted. This was what I was hoping other owners would comment on. Our roads are by the way, often free of traffic for minutes at a time.


Yes, and without an eye on a sporty way the +4 is a real good sportstourer. A gently giant still pulling and wake up with a nice roar from 3500rpm on.

But now in her new homeland with great routes around my home I'm a little bit critical (and frustrated) about the fast diesel around and away.

But may be the diesels (and white vans) are faster, they havn't the outstanding beauty ;-)

René


2018 plus4
Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: xc68anc] #614019
26/01/20 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by xc68anc
I think about to start with the easy (and cheap) way. At first the flash, than see further.

Is here someone around who has the graphic for a standard GDI +4 vs. a flashed one?

The bloodless performance between 2000 and 3500rpm is not the point for a sportscar. Every white van goes faster
In the time I must shift two gears back.

René


I suppose it might be different in the fatherland, but here in the UK my Ferrari regularly gets overtaken by white vans. They are fast because in the main they are driven by young people who are aggressive and on pay systems that put them under pressure. So they drive fast and daft.

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Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: meabh] #625052
22/03/20 10:20 PM
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Hello, I have a question for those who already have the new software.
Does the engine start at high speed for about 2 seconds as before? Does the backfire still exist?
Ralf

Re: P4 with flash. verdict [Re: meabh] #625143
23/03/20 10:14 AM
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I have read this and other threads on the subject and am still not sure on the advice. I have a Duratec Plus 4 and am attracted to the idea of a re-map but do not have the fancy manifolds, is it worthwhile going ahead or should I ignore the re-maps until I manage to persuade the CFO that we need a new manifold? The latter may take some time.


Kevin

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