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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Heinz] #626516
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Originally Posted by Heinz
Stewart, I fully agree. If one reads the laws in Leviticus carefully, it is a very clear instruction manual, in which many things are still correct in essence - from the hygiene regulations (which we only rediscovered after the Middle Ages) to the sensible but also moderate taxation - 10% would be sufficient even today:)

Peter, I personally think there is hardly a more witty humour than the Jewish. And it is based on such a philosophy of life as the rabbi shows in the example with the kangaroo meat.
I have written and deleted so much here afterwards, but it belongs in a separate thread in the soap box.



For anyone that has never read it, reading Leviticus in a modern translation is absolutely fascinating and quite remarkable
As you say, Shows an incredible level of sophistication and understanding of hygiene


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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Graham, G4FUJ] #626525
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Originally Posted by Graham, G4FUJ


Thanks for sharing, Graham. This is perhaps the best text I have read to understand a little more about the new virus. Nothing is dramatized, no panic is caused, but explained calmly, but also not pacified and played down. It becomes very clear what the difference is to a flu. Especially the story with DNA vs RNA and ACE2 and furin is very interesting. And in my conclusion...we all should take care.

If mankind had the time, it might be interesting to see what can be learned from the more easier and recovered cases of Covid19 to create appropriate drugs...for the transitional period until the vaccine may be available.
The question of inflammation will also occupy scientists. On the one hand, the dangers of a too weak immune system but also, what is the possible danger of a too strong but unfocused immune response if it reacts to the suddenly "unmasked" situation, as the report describes it.




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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Stewart S] #626549
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Originally Posted by Stewart S
Originally Posted by Heinz
Stewart, I fully agree. If one reads the laws in Leviticus carefully, it is a very clear instruction manual, in which many things are still correct in essence - from the hygiene regulations (which we only rediscovered after the Middle Ages) to the sensible but also moderate taxation - 10% would be sufficient even today:)

Peter, I personally think there is hardly a more witty humour than the Jewish. And it is based on such a philosophy of life as the rabbi shows in the example with the kangaroo meat.
I have written and deleted so much here afterwards, but it belongs in a separate thread in the soap box.



For anyone that has never read it, reading Leviticus in a modern translation is absolutely fascinating and quite remarkable
As you say, Shows an incredible level of sophistication and understanding of hygiene


Im no expert in these matters, but I bet it wasn’t so hygienic on Noah’s Ark!


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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Graham, G4FUJ] #626559
28/03/20 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Graham, G4FUJ


A very interesting read Graham, thanks for posting


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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Cat302] #626574
28/03/20 07:18 PM
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Yeah thanks Graham...…………….


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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Cat302] #626616
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Looking at the European stats it's certainly the worst affected area at the moment WHO Sit Rep 68


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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Cat302] #626643
29/03/20 03:57 AM
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Apologies if I've missed something but I'm not clear on the statistics. Firstly do the numbers show death caused by the virus or do they include cases where the person died from other causes but also had the virus? Also the lack of testing of the general population may conceal widespread infection which isn't included in the published figures. Both of these would mean that the mortality rate is overstated.


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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Cat302] #626657
29/03/20 07:51 AM
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The situation with the statistics is not entirely clear however in Italy we do know that the majority of people who die are over the age of 70 and/or have one or more chronic medical problems (heart, lungs, cancer, obesity etc.). The death toll in Italy is also given as those that die with SARS-CoV-2. We know that some other countries are only reporting those who die exclusively because they have SARS-CoV-2, This accounts for the apparent discrepancy between the percentages report by one country as against another.

Unfortunately the hospital systems become so overwhelmed that the rules of triage come into force; ie save those that can be saved and let the others go. This means anyone over a certain age is unlikely to receive full medical attention let alone being put on a respirator.

To answer you question "do they include cases where the person died from other causes but also had the virus?", for Italy the answer is yes.

Unfortunately due to the huge number of people involved and the limitations of laboratory facilities in many areas only people with symptoms are being tested, and in some cases even worse only people being admitted to hospital are being tested. The experts believe that as many as 10 times the number of people reported as infected are infected. It seems also that the principle period in which contagion is transmitted is in the early stages of infection. This means that there is a huge pool of infected people who are asymptomatic passing the infection everywhere where people are in close contact, or even touch something recently touched by an infected person.

This is the logic behind the lockdown. Effectively get everyone to isolate as much as possible until all those infected, whether showing symptoms or not, have recovered from the infection. For the sake of the human race it is not such a huge disaster because the mortality rate of young people is low. For the economy, following on top of existing world wide economic problems it is a disaster and in the end may have long lasting effects on the way in which the economy is managed.


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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Cat302] #626714
29/03/20 01:30 PM
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If you are interested in the statistics I recommend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMzhdoQABFQ


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Re: Coronavirus / Corona Virus [Re: Cat302] #626717
29/03/20 01:58 PM
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Very interesting, particularly his comments on slowing down the spread to flatten the curve.


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