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Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: +8Rich] #640912
28/05/20 09:33 PM
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Looked this morning , saw a roadster advertised and thought crikey John has been for an early test drive 👀, then read the add,


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Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: +8Rich] #641010
29/05/20 12:33 PM
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Yes , a wonderful car , and I hope it is a great success for MMC.

However there is one thing that does concerns me , and that is the number of cars that have already been written off , even in such a short time.

I don't have access to any actual data , so please accept this as just "gossip" if you will, but there is a very worrying trend of cars being totalled, mainly during wet weather driving.

Again , this is hearsay , but when the throttle is depressed with anything more than a featherlight touch, the auto box drops down 2 ratios and the turbo spools up. The result is suddenly a massive amount of torque applied to the rear axle, fine in the dry where you will probably just get the tail stepping out of line, but in the damp , wet , or on low friction surfaces, you had better have both excellent reflexes and a lot of appropriate experience , otherwise it is going to go very pear-shaped VERY quickly, and contact with the scenery is rather likely and at considerable speed.

Apparently on the last Bristols if you turned off all the driver aids , a little message popped up "you had better be very good sir" . Perhaps something similar is needed?


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Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: MOG 615] #641019
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Originally Posted by MOG 615
Yes , a wonderful car , and I hope it is a great success for MMC.

However there is one thing that does concerns me , and that is the number of cars that have already been written off , even in such a short time.
.....


From the Owner's Manual, page 2:

"To get the full enjoyment of driving this vehicle, it is recommended that the owner undergoes advanced driver training."

And this is on page 7:

"MISUSE OF PLUS SIX
Your Morgan Plus Six is intended to be used in a safe manner, always obey the local laws and speed limits, never travelling faster than is appropriate for the road, weather and traffic conditions. Accidents may cause injury or death to both the occupants of the vehicle and/or other persons. Remember that using sensible judgement when driving this high performance vehicle may prevent an accident from occurring."


There again, who reads the manual anyway?

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Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: MOG 615] #641046
29/05/20 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MOG 615
but when the throttle is depressed with anything more than a featherlight touch, the auto box drops down 2 ratios and the turbo spools up.



especially true in Sport mode

Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: +8Rich] #641123
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Certainly does not sound appropriate for my slightly wonky right foot. I have a problem with fine motor control (which is a medico's way of saying movement control) due to nerve damage.

This means that movement of my right foot can be somewhat imprecise. scared


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Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: Jon G4LJW] #641130
29/05/20 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon G4LJW
Originally Posted by MOG 615
Yes , a wonderful car , and I hope it is a great success for MMC.

However there is one thing that does concerns me , and that is the number of cars that have already been written off , even in such a short time.
.....


From the Owner's Manual, page 2:

"To get the full enjoyment of driving this vehicle, it is recommended that the owner undergoes advanced driver training

grin2





Sounds like MMC know the car is a handful and should maybe consider including some driver training at the point of sale. Porsche seem to have created quite a successful business with their experience. If I had the cash to buy a plus six I certainly wouldn't mind spending a wee bit more to learn how to handle the thing safely.

Of course you'd have to rely on the sensibility of the used car buyer to seek out the training for himself and hereby lies the biggest problem, we see and hear of quite a few performance cars being written off in this area by young fishermen and oil workers who have the money but not the experience.


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Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: +8Rich] #641154
30/05/20 06:58 AM
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Big underlying issue is the unconscious dependence on the traction/stability controls and anti-lock brakes that have been present in mainstream cars for so long now.

Landing in a nice new powerful toy with none of the aids (plus a turbo and a sporty autobox) is recipe for interesting/expensive mistakes.

This was brought home to me when on an U17 Car Club Magic Day @ Castle Coombe (great organisation by the way) we were offering a drive in our M3W to a few of the highly trained youngsters - there were interesting moments as they had never experienced a vehicle with such limited grip vs the power and no aids...important learning for them!!

Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: +8Rich] #641188
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Just time to burn a little more petrol before dinner.
Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: Alistair] #641197
30/05/20 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Alistair
....perhaps people unfamiliar with Morgan could be more inclined to underestimate the performance.
.....


Could well be part of the reason!

Re: Henry's views on the Plus Six [Re: +8Rich] #644738
16/06/20 09:22 PM
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For my own interest measured a plus six compared to my old plus 8 and it is 65mm wider so about 21/2" . So from the specs I am similar width to the new plus four. Glad that one would fit in the garage if I won the lotto.


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