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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #596952
26/09/19 08:07 PM
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85 ECUs and every one will be using the cheapest microprocessor they could find that would do that job.


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Costock, UK
2014 4/4 Rolls Royce Garnet Red
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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #611219
05/01/20 12:30 PM
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One marked "prototype" was at Bicester Scramble this morning. Huge on the outside, small on the inside!
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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #611237
05/01/20 02:43 PM
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Just like all the rest of the modern 4x4.......Bland and no character. I’ll stick with my TD5 Defender thanks.

Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #611239
05/01/20 02:54 PM
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Yuck, a Disco in drag.


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2014 Brooklands Edition Roadster "Brookland's Belle" #5 of 50
Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #611242
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I wonder if part of the problem might be that the modern pedestrian safety regulations mandate such large radius curves on the edges?

IMHO it looks better than the current Discovery. Sadly, they have priced it well out of my reach to consider a new purchase.

A 110 base with the Petrol engine comes out at £50,517 with only mud flaps and a towing kit selected as options. Just too much.

5 years ago, a well specified 110 was £31,000 when we bought a 2 year old Discovery for the same money. Good luck to Land-Rover if they can get people to pay these prices now.


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #647056
27/06/20 01:11 PM
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I was 'hunting' for a new car for holidays and mountainbike-transport, went from looking at Mazda6, Merc GLE and even GLS and then MarcoPolo, also testdrove a Gwagen (63amg=ridicilous)
and on the way to the bike-shop I had time to look at the new Ford Transit, they will bring a 'Trail or Active' model, that could suite my needs
but parking at the Ford Dealership I had to park at the LandRover side of the building, had a quick look inside and...saw a bigger car in a corner and curiosity got me, so I went in

It might not look like an Old Def, but it looks good in certain colors (not in silver), and it certainly is a 2020LandRover
When I sat in the driver seat it was 'my size' of car, also, it looks 'rugged', not too posh either

after some waiting I got to testdrive it and: "YES!!!! This is it, all I loved soooooo much in my Range (P38, 1999) came back:, air-suspension, driving a little rough, off-roader-ish, fast enough with 240-diesel-horses
and then I bought it, hope to pick it up next week

we can choose our licence plates freely and I was thinking: "New-P-38" arr


now: NoMog
sold: A'max/M3W/V6/444seater
Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #647765
01/07/20 07:32 AM
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2021 Lapis Blue Plus 6 evil You know it makes sense! thinking





Re: Defender [Re: Clipper] #647770
01/07/20 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Clipper


The thought process, approach and design of the Grenadier is looking quite impressive. Ir is difficult to see it coming in at a price point that would make sense for it's proposed market though.


Brian
Jersey and Spain
Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #647787
01/07/20 09:25 AM
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"The station wagon’s payload will be one tonne, its towing capacity 3.5 tonnes and the cost will be “nearer Raptor than G-Wagen,” says a spokesperson. To put that into perspective, Ford’s Ranger Raptor costs £42,000 without VAT in the UK. The G-Wagen starts at £92,000 with VAT (there’s no official commercial version in the UK), which means that the Grenadier will likely cost north of £50,000 without VAT."

Source Telegraph article


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Re: Defender [Re: Alistair] #647789
01/07/20 09:36 AM
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I risk writing this like a oldgit

However, I worked for, the then, Land Rover Limited from 1979 to 1988.
My main role was as an overseas sales executive. (Asia and Pacific)
So I always view the product developments with great interest,

Land Rover lost much of their overseas market share during the 1980s with the rise of Toyota and Nissan.
The Japanese produced tough, reliable and inexpensive 4 x 4s, Land Rover didn’t!
Certainly the Series 3, then 90 and 110s were tough, but increasingly reliability was poor and prices became uncompetitive.

Their new range success relies, IMHO, too much on selling status.
They drift further and further away from Tom Barton’s original ideas and the new Defender reflects their new philosophy.

Now I’m definitely sounding like an oldgit but I know they could have taken a different path in he 1980s, had not the management of the company not been so obsessed with their own status.


I’m off for a sit down.
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