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Breakdown tow #650230
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Broke down recently [suspect fuel pump] only 12 miles from home. Did the correct thing and got recovery [tho' it took 7 hours to arrive!] because the handbook states 'no towing'. Handbook does not explain why. It would have been so much more convenient to have been towed home. I've written to MCC to ask why but to date have had no reply [and frankly don't really expect one]. Anyone have any thoughts - damage to transmission? - or simply the lack of a towing eye? Sorry - should've explained that I'm referring to my 3 wheeler!

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Re: Breakdown tow [Re: Pontruggermogger] #650231
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Which Model?

The trads have a towing eye on the offside front chassis rail.

However, I've been advised to treat this with caution because a hard jerk has the potential to pull the chassis out of true.

Ah...three wheeler......someone will be along soon

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Re: Breakdown tow [Re: Pontruggermogger] #650238
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I suspect unless you remove the drive belt you shouldn't tow a MTW


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Hi Jon - I think you may be right but being a practical sort of bloke I would really like to know WHY! - Given the right info. I could then choose between the option to be towed home or be recovered ........... I suspect it may be lack of a towing eye issue for MCC, in which case I can make an informed decision to use a tow rope. If it's a potential transmission damage issue then OK - no tow! [ I certainly won't be removing the drive belt by the side of the road! ]


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Re: Breakdown tow [Re: Pontruggermogger] #650258
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I once did tow my M3W for some 15km.
No problems recognized.

Why should there be a problem?
Gearbox has oil without need for pressure.
(I have not heard Mazda does not allow towing a Miata where the same box is used)
Bevel box has its own oil reservoir.
The drive belt does not need lubrication.
The engine remains switched off...

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Re: Breakdown tow [Re: Pontruggermogger] #650260
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I believe the reason for not towing the M3W is to do with the way the lubrication system in the gearbox works, and would result in insufficient lubrication. So if you disconnect the drive belt then you would be OK. Alan Brathwaite on his Indian misadventure, was towed many times as a result of his breakdowns without removing the drive belt and no adverse effects.

I wouldn't hesitate to tow mine over short distances.

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Re: Breakdown tow [Re: Rog G] #650288
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Originally Posted by Rog G
I believe the reason for not towing the M3W is to do with the way the lubrication system in the gearbox works, and would result in insufficient lubrication. So if you disconnect the drive belt then you would be OK. Alan Brathwaite on his Indian misadventure, was towed many times as a result of his breakdowns without removing the drive belt and no adverse effects.

I wouldn't hesitate to tow mine over short distances.


If the gearbox is the reason, then my 4/4 and recent +4 cars are also affected.


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Originally Posted by Rog G
I believe the reason for not towing the M3W is to do with the way the lubrication system in the gearbox works, and would result in insufficient lubrication. So if you disconnect the drive belt then you would be OK. Alan Brathwaite on his Indian misadventure, was towed many times as a result of his breakdowns without removing the drive belt and no adverse effects.

I wouldn't hesitate to tow mine over short distances.


It is to do with the distribution of oil in the transmission, over short distances not an issue. As with the trad Morgans if towing you should disconnect the drive shaft, again not an issue for short distances.


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Re: Breakdown tow [Re: Pontruggermogger] #650302
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Being a bit flippant, but I would recommend contacting MMC as in Morgan Motor Company rather than MCC - Marylebone Cricket Club. Unless perhaps you are contemplating beating your car with a cricket bat? smile

Haven't looked at the M3W gearbox, but I suspect, as with many modern gearboxes it is lubricated by pump, rather than splash/drip lubrication and if towing the pump does not get driven - lack of lube, worn/seized box.


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Re: Breakdown tow [Re: Pontruggermogger] #650314
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Cribbed from a MX5 forum

"The Miata's (and most transmissions) are indeed lubricated by "splash oiling". The input shaft rotates the counter-shaft which resides in the bottom of the transmission submerged in the oil. The output shaft is rotated by the drive wheels/drive-shaft/differential, and is above the oil level in the transmission, and does not splash the lubrication inside the transmission. The actually driven gears are constantly rotated by the counter-shaft gears when the engine is running and the clutch is out (in gear or neutral). The driven gears freely rotate (on bearings) on the output shaft unless the gear is selected.

Towing a car in neutral causes the output shaft to rotate while the gears remain stationary (and receive no splash lubrication). Will this cause harm? It depends. Many people have no problems flat towing a car with a transmission like the Miata's, however it is not receiving the proper lubrication. "


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