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Re: The spy in our living room [Re: Ian Wegg] #663020
19/09/20 09:00 AM
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This is worrying, as a result of a recent clipping session that went badly wrong, our dog is now being called Pablo Escobar and my wife frequently drinks coke.

Re: The spy in our living room [Re: britmog] #663021
19/09/20 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by britmog
The good news is that there are trillions of data bytes being generated every minute of everyday so you will remain anonymous to the human intelligence services unless you do something wrong or are connected to someone who is "interesting" to the authorities. Of course you are not anonymous to the many computer systems that you are linked to whether you know it or not, they of course automatically learn about you and target you accordingly, which is what you are experiencing. You can worry about it but it wont go away or you can just get on with life as I do and keep receiving Viagra adverts, how do they know?


In principle, I see it the same as you do.
In addition, there are laws to protect the citizen, such as the EU's General Data Protection Regulation GDPR which was maybe well-meant, but it is a bureaucratic monster. In the beginning, this went so far that some idiotic politicians wanted to have names removed from doorbells "to protect the citizen"...and that small businesses like a village pharmacy had to have a data protection officer as an additional employee. I think these are partly grotesque excesses and Stone Age counter-attempts. I think that this is no way to deal with Alexas or Siris. If (in theory) GDPR would be 100% implemented, probably no one in the EU will be allowed to own a mobile phone or PC.

On the other hand, I also see that Alexa can and may offer me Viagra in times of democracy. That is ok. But if we were to live like in China or Russia, Alexa might offer to pick me up and send me to the Gulag archipelago if it is "interesting" just to say something against the government. I don't even want to know how far behind the scenes China scans all its citizens (and causing action from time to time) and thus effects even more anticipatory obedience.

Let's hope that all the AI remains (at least mostly) in the right hands.


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Re: The spy in our living room [Re: Ian Wegg] #663022
19/09/20 09:15 AM
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99.9% of us are giving away information all the time, Alexa and Siri are listening. The web sites you shop on record your details and purchases, store loyalty cards are monitoring your shop, credit card companies know where you are and what you are buying and of course cookies on websites which track where you go in the ether. Facebook and Twitter - enough said.
We are all giving away shed loads of information to bodies that are largely unregulated without much thought to what happens to it, who’s collecting it and what an individual company can learn about us by gathering information from the various sources.

Re: The spy in our living room [Re: Ian Wegg] #663029
19/09/20 10:04 AM
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Yup - this has been a thing for a while. I like to tease mine with weird stuff like

You can minimise this intrusion (note I don't say remove as I don't actually totally believe them) by going through the privacy settings.
You can also inspect the content it has taken from you in theory. Open the app and it shows you.
You can also download the full history if you are so inclined.
You can also delete it for what that's worth (it has already been shared)

Lets just say that certain establishments refuse to have them in the building, powered up or not. They also ensure you do not have the App on your mobile/pad.

For those who live by "latest version" the new iOS 14 has an orange dot in the top right wired to show someone is on your camera or mic. This is a good thing.
There is also a setting that rotates your advertising ID in the OS which I use regularly.

There are layers beyond this where companies share and co-ordinate information collected.
Twitter for example (you are there product and being sold as we have said before)
https://help.twitter.com/en/safety-and-security/data-through-partnerships
https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/be-data-aware/social-media-privacy-settings/microtargeting/
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/8/2...g-pop-up-mobile-app-advertising-settings
https://www.ft.com/content/0fbf4d8e-022b-11ea-be59-e49b2a136b8d

You are always going to be harvested. Think of it as the next call scammer and feed it lots of garbage to chew on so all its' arseificial intellurgence algorithms become confused.


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Re: The spy in our living room [Re: Ian Wegg] #663032
19/09/20 10:28 AM
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I don't believe atoms anymore...they make up everything grin2


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Re: The spy in our living room [Re: Ian Wegg] #663036
19/09/20 10:40 AM
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rofl


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Re: The spy in our living room [Re: Ian Wegg] #663051
19/09/20 11:57 AM
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You could always become part of the Truman show and get a pair of Alexa headphones!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Introducing-Wireless-earbuds-immersive-reduction/dp/B07FWGBDN6


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Re: The spy in our living room [Re: Ian Wegg] #663217
20/09/20 12:42 PM
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Every now and than our Alexa fires up and says something random. Very odd.


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Re: The spy in our living room [Re: Ian Wegg] #663219
20/09/20 12:47 PM
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They all do that. So what else do you think they are doing as well!

Totaly trustworthy.

Last edited by Alistair; 20/09/20 12:47 PM.

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