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Antiques Road Show #663453
21/09/20 06:37 PM
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Just having a little giggle i thought i would share some of my Antiques or rather where they cam from and when.

Now at the age of 57 this was this little Volt Meter was given to me in an unusual way, at 14 yrs of age i was constantly
looking for weekend & after school hours work, although i helped out in the Family Garage in school holidays, my Father
never would work weekends, so my pocket money been limited to 10p a week i was constantly looking for more ways to
earn a buck, cleaning cars, paper round and milk round, i also ventured into a bit of Gardening (Grass Cutting).

One day i knocked on a old Ladies door and proposed i cut her grass, after the job was complete, i was initially gutted
when she came to the Door and said she had no money to pay me, but handed me the little box as shown with the sentence
"this was my husbands and i want you to have it".

having worked in the Garage and seeing what was inside the box i expressed my gratitude and ran home with it, further discussions
with my old man revealed exactly what it was, i treasured it for the rest of time but lost it in a house move in @1993.

In August this year my sister in law passed away, it was left to my Son and Ex to clean out my S.I.L house and to my great delight my Son
passed it back to me, worth very little in monitory terms but invaluable in historical terms to me.
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And this my first phone log, probably got it free in a lucky bag, but at 22 yrs old i started my first Garage and this was my life line
to both customers and Suppliers, ...... a paper iphone i suppose.
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Have you got any antiques you cherish, no matter how small the value. love


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An interesting thread idea!

I don't really have 'antiques' per se, but in the photo are some of my most treasured possessions - the box was built by my maternal Grandad (he of Morgan fame), on the right is my Dad's RAF GSM (Cyprus), in the Centre are my Paternal Grandad's WW1 Service Medals (he was in the MGC and served until 1922). On the left, a copy of my Dad's cousins DFC (Lancaster Tail Gunner) and a 1943 sixpence as a homage to this story: Bent Sixpence

Not worth much money, but they are the first things I'd rescue in a house fire.

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I used to buy soul packs from Soul Bowl Records of Kings Lynn in the early seventies: £6 for 100 American 45s. Included in one was this beauty from sought-after Cleveland label Saru which became big on the Northern Soul scene. John Manship auctioned a copy last year for £2000.


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Many years ago we made one of our Morgan trips to Germany, and visited the Zeppelin Museum at Friedrichshafen. In one of the display cabinets I recognised an altitude recorder that would be strung up in the 'balloon' and using a battery, heated tip, and a sort of thermal paper, would record the altitude during the flight.

I couldn't see who manufactured the recorder, but I have a similar recorder, made by Short and Mason who were based in Walthamstow until the late 50's

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Haven't managed to take it up high enough to see if it still works


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Originally Posted by tmg513
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I used to buy soul packs from Soul Bowl Records of Kings Lynn in the early seventies: £6 for 100 American 45s. Included in one was this beauty from sought-after Cleveland label Saru which became big on the Northern Soul scene. John Manship auctioned a copy last year for £2000.


Very precious.

Re: Antiques Road Show [Re: Dean-Royal] #663498
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When were we clearing out my mother's house we came across this, which I'd never seen before. It's an early hand held calculator with a fascinating history my father must have used during his career in engineering. This one is an early Type I version manufactured in 1951 (so it's older than me!) and is in pristine condition (unlike me!)

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Re: Antiques Road Show [Re: Dean-Royal] #663500
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That Voltmeter is a cool little thing.

The oldest thing in my house is the tapestry here. I dont know anything about it sadly. Would love to find out its age ( and value ! ) The Foo dogs were purchased by my mum in the mid 70s, I remember being with her when she got them. They are not worth anything but great sentimental value .

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Re: Antiques Road Show [Re: Alan Patterson] #663501
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Originally Posted by Alan Patterson
When were we clearing out my mother's house we came across this,


You probably know, they are worth a few bob !!

EDIT : I know a collector who is very knowledgeable on Curta calculators if you want further info .

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Re: Antiques Road Show [Re: Bonesie] #663502
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Originally Posted by Bonesie
Originally Posted by Alan Patterson
When were we clearing out my mother's house we came across this,


You probably know, they are worth a few bob !!

EDIT : I know a collector who is very knowledgeable on Curta calculators if you want further info .


Thanks Bonesie - I'd be very interested in further info. This one has an early (4 digit) serial number, and given its' condition, is probably a very rare find. I have the instruction booklet but never mastered using it. I don't think the box is original though, but its such a good fit it could well be original.


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Re: Antiques Road Show [Re: Bonesie] #663503
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Originally Posted by Bonesie

The oldest thing in my house is the tapestry here. I dont know anything about it sadly. Would love to find out its age ( and value ! )
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It looks maybe 16th Century given the limited colour range (most didn't have access to a broad colour palette at that time). But you'd have to take it to an expert to age as they would look at the weave etc. Have you had it out of the frame? Many were signed... although if it's ancient it could be fragile.


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These are the oldest things I have. They are Egyptian Campaign medals awarded to my great-great-grandfather who was a Trooper in the 2nd Regiment Life Guards. He was involved in the cavalry charge at the Battle of Kassassin in 1882.

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Re: Antiques Road Show [Re: Alan Patterson] #663510
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Originally Posted by Alan Patterson
When were we clearing out my mother's house we came across this, which I'd never seen before. It's an early hand held calculator with a fascinating history my father must have used during his career in engineering. This one is an early Type I version manufactured in 1951 (so it's older than me!) and is in pristine condition (unlike me!)

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I have similar Alan, though I think mine is a little newer (these have been discussed on here before). Calculator was my father's, he was an accountant, finishing up before early retirement as Finance Director for the southwest area of a national brewery.
I also have his circular (or tubular) slide rule.
Both with original instructions and boxes. I still trying to find his first Yard-o-Lead propelling pencil, still with box, but have an awful feeling it may have gone when we had a break-in a few years ago. I still have his second one.
Lovely medals Alan!

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Re: Antiques Road Show [Re: Graham, G4FUJ] #663515
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Originally Posted by Graham, G4FUJ

I have similar Alan, though I think mine is a little newer (these have been discussed on here before).

You're right, Graham ... discussed only last year! I'd clean forgotten.


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Re: Antiques Road Show [Re: Dean-Royal] #663520
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I only have the Memsahib, not quite antique but precious never the less.!!!


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Originally Posted by Neilda

It looks maybe 16th Century given the limited colour range (most didn't have access to a broad colour palette at that time). But you'd have to take it to an expert to age as they would look at the weave etc. Have you had it out of the frame? Many were signed... although if it's ancient it could be fragile.


No, been in its frame since I got it. It was my Mums and she had it for yonks, though I dont know where she got it. I did look at getting it assessed but didnt find anyone online search I thought was suitable.


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sorry for thread drift. On the subject of Curta calculators. Did anyone see the one a chap 3D printed for Adam Savage ? Quite impressive !



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Originally Posted by Bonesie
sorry for thread drift. On the subject of Curta calculators. Did anyone see the one a chap 3D printed for Adam Savage ? Quite impressive !


WOW ... amazing workmanship! Thanks for posting that Bonesie.


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Re: Antiques Road Show [Re: Dean-Royal] #663537
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I love old stuff ..... have loads of it lying about the house .... my Dad was a big collector of curiosities and it rubbed off on me! .... here's some random ones ....

Oldest man made things (trained as a geologist so have the odd fossil or six hanging about) ..... some arrowheads picked up by my Dad off Kinder Scout in Derbyshire (he worked for the National Park and spent years hoofing about up there)

A Roman glass bottle .... for something expensive by the size of it .... medical or cosmetic probably.....collected by my Dad back when I was a kid.

A Braille engineer's micrometer .... old pal of mine worked as a machinist for an Engineers in Rushden .... one of the other engineers went to WW2 and came home blinded ... the firm wouldn't let him go and he adapted and was still doing lathe work until he retired ..... the micrometer was going to be skipped but Dave rescued it for me because he knew it would appeal .... over the years I've tried to get it to a blind machinist via various organisations but no takers .... guess if there are any still out there they have digital micrometers with audio output.

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Thats incredible !! a braille micrometer !


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Great thread, most enjoyable, keep them coming please.
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We got these from my father in law, took them to a dealer who offered a few quid so decided to keep them for the kids/grandkids.

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The kids/grandkids won’t want them. Better to give them to a charity shop, and do some good .

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Not all children/grandchildren are the same, our three treasure the few bits and pieces they chose from theirs and the memories that accompany them are good one's.

Like wise we have some treasured bits and pieces that will be handed down like my Fathers wartime Flying Logbook, it is priceless.


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Plus, they may be at a point in their lives that they're not interested now .... but it's surprising the number of people I know who hit a certain age and get interested in their 'roots' .... family history, heirlooms .... another 50 years and even quite normal stuff to us will seem incomprehensibly odd and quirky to them .... biggest problem is the mobility and lack of storage in the lives of most younger people makes the practicalities difficult.

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Originally Posted by +8Rich
Not all children/grandchildren are the same, our three treasure the few bits and pieces they chose from theirs and the memories that accompany them are good one's.

Like wise we have some treasured bits and pieces that will be handed down like my Fathers wartime Flying Logbook, it is priceless.

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Plus, they may be at a point in their lives that they're not interested now .... but it's surprising the number of people I know who hit a certain age and get interested in their 'roots' .... family history, heirlooms .... another 50 years and even quite normal stuff to us will seem incomprehensibly odd and quirky to them .... biggest problem is the mobility and lack of storage in the lives of most younger people makes the practicalities difficult.

K

Couldn't have put it better myself. I was going to respond but I'm not on here to make enemies. love


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Quickly dragged a few oddities off shelves for a pic ..... this is a potentially really interesting thread .... too good to succumb to drift so young.

Couple here I know little about so, who knows, the assembled wisdom may prove useful.

They are:

Slightly disturbing figure (possibly charm/fetish) made from a vertebrae of a horse(or similar sized creature.)

Blue candle snuffer ... dug up in my garden when I lived in Yorkshire

Old Microscope

Flint Knapping stone ... found with the previous arrow heads and was the tool used to chip away and make them.

Unknown bronze thing .... looks oriental (Chinese?) .... guess it's an incense burner (tho did for a while think it might be a sand-shaker they used before blotting paper ... but who knows)

As you can see I'm more intrigued by the curious rather than expensive antiques smile


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Originally Posted by Image
Plus, they may be at a point in their lives that they're not interested now .... but it's surprising the number of people I know who hit a certain age and get interested in their 'roots' .... family history, heirlooms .... another 50 years and even quite normal stuff to us will seem incomprehensibly odd and quirky to them .... biggest problem is the mobility and lack of storage in the lives of most younger people makes the practicalities difficult.

K


I agree with you. I've just taken stewardship of my Dad's family archives from my Aunt, a retired history teacher who has just moved to a dramatically smaller house. It comprises about two filing cabinets of documents, photographs and so on, going back about 150 years. I've had a little trawl through it. It's so fascinating, and easy to get sidetracked once one starts reading things.

My plan is to start by scanning it all. It will give me a good idea of what's there, and will then make an accessible record for any other family members who in the years to come take an interested in family history. I need to get on while my Dad and Aunt are still around and lucid, so that they can answer any questions I come up with.

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Originally Posted by pandy
My plan is to start by scanning it all. It will give me a good idea of what's there, and will then make an accessible record for any other family members who in the years to come take an interested in family history. I need to get on while my Dad and Aunt are still around and lucid, so that they can answer any questions I come up with.


Having done extensive genealogy research on my own family I believe the first rule is that 99% of what family tell you will be wrong! The second is to be prepared for a few skeletons to come out of cupboards. Usually involving the most prim & proper great aunts that you were scared of when you were little.

For example my grandfather was one of 8 according to my mum but I can prove there were at least another 4 siblings that Ive traced that died in childhood all living in a 2 up 2 down.

The most important thing while people are still alive is to match names to faces in any photos you may have.

You might get lucky as we did on one branch of the wifes side of the family, I have photos of oil paintings of our children's 9x great grandparents & can get back to about 1300ad, but found the hardest bit was anything more recent than 1901 although the 1911 census will be released for public consumption next year which will assist.

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Great thread!!
Not an antique as such, but a bit of motoring history from the earliest days of motoring - an early speeding ticket! - what my great grandfather, who lived near Edinburgh, was doing in Yorkshire, terrifying the local squire by roaring past him at the horrendous speed of 12 mph on the public highway, we have no idea! Have tried to find out more about the outcome of his case in the York courts, but all those records were lost during the war, so we are none the wiser!

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Probably showing off to a prospective Great Grandmother! smile

What a great document ..... proper speeding ticket and a real piece of motoring history !

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Great thread, that Braille engineer's micrometer is amazing, must be super rare

This is my Uncles camera, used to fascinate me as a kid in the 60's, Minox spy version, proper James bond stuff

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I know this is not an antique yet but it is rare as there are not many around. This is the Type122 Clandestine Transceiver that was issued to me (serial#2479) and I used for a brief period before being replaced by a more powerful modern transceiver. This is a valve based crystal operated transceiver and I have all the parts and complete spare part kit including the valves. It is fully working and if I had another or a 2.5-5MHz, 5-10MHz, 10-20MHz receiver I could start transmitting. Those were the days!!!!

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Originally Posted by KennethM
Great thread!!
Not an antique as such, but a bit of motoring history from the earliest days of motoring - an early speeding ticket! - what my great grandfather, who lived near Edinburgh, was doing in Yorkshire, terrifying the local squire by roaring past him at the horrendous speed of 12 mph on the public highway, we have no idea! Have tried to find out more about the outcome of his case in the York courts, but all those records were lost during the war, so we are none the wiser!

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Britmog ..... That's a beauty .... and rare .... they made heaps of the wartime ones but far less of the 'peacetime' models .... what make is it? (Has a slightly Mullard/Ferranti look) ..... during the 80's and early '90s I was a radio tech for the Home Office and we did a fair bit of clandestine equipment for various government agencies .... was the transition time ... in ten years we went from valves to prime-number encryption, SMDs and frequency hopping with the likes of Cougarnet .... steep learning curve for us soldering iron boys smile

Piece of history .... not to mention your own personal history

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Originally Posted by Alan Patterson
When were we clearing out my mother's house we came across this, which I'd never seen before. It's an early hand held calculator with a fascinating history my father must have used during his career in engineering. This one is an early Type I version manufactured in 1951 (so it's older than me!) and is in pristine condition (unlike me!)

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Watched a You Tube video n this working, amazing piece if engineering, I want one 😆


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Originally Posted by Image
Britmog ..... That's a beauty .... and rare .... they made heaps of the wartime ones but far less of the 'peacetime' models .... what make is it? (Has a slightly Mullard/Ferranti look) ..... during the 80's and early '90s I was a radio tech for the Home Office and we did a fair bit of clandestine equipment for various government agencies .... was the transition time ... in ten years we went from valves to prime-number encryption, SMDs and frequency hopping with the likes of Cougarnet .... steep learning curve for us soldering iron boys smile

Piece of history .... not to mention your own personal history

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It's a Mullard and built like a tank, it went through quite a bit and never let me down. Although considered "old" when I got it in the early 70s they were so reliable and difficult to trace it was our go too device. I still practice on the morse key which is adjusted to my touch although my speed is not what it used to be. The 80s-90s were indeed a period of rapid transition I quite enjoyed some of the upgrades but found them to be not as reliable, we had to be able to maintain and fix the units in the field which was "interesting". I'm probably just an old fashioned Circus Performer but those acts are the most secure.


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As far as field repairs go the Mullard is a crossflow 4/4 .... Cougarnet is a Bugatti Veyron .... rather you than me in the middle of nowhere with a nail-file and a box of matches smile ...... only plus side is the later gear didn't have 500v ht waiting for unwary fingers!! smile


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Originally Posted by Image
As far as field repairs go the Mullard is a crossflow 4/4 .... Cougarnet is a Bugatti Veyron .... rather you than me in the middle of nowhere with a nail-file and a box of matches smile ...... only plus side is the later gear didn't have 500v ht waiting for unwary fingers!! smile


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You made me laugh remembering that once in a very cold place I made a fire using the 500v ht and some wire from the aerial, life saver

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Originally Posted by Image
Britmog ..... That's a beauty .... and rare .... they made heaps of the wartime ones but far less of the 'peacetime' models .... what make is it? (Has a slightly Mullard/Ferranti look) ..... during the 80's and early '90s I was a radio tech for the Home Office and we did a fair bit of clandestine equipment for various government agencies .... was the transition time ... in ten years we went from valves to prime-number encryption, SMDs and frequency hopping with the likes of Cougarnet .... steep learning curve for us soldering iron boys smile

Piece of history .... not to mention your own personal history

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Image: I don't know if this would be of interest I also have the small suitcase that we were issued to carry the Type122 in the Eastern Block. The Type122 is in its black container with to the right my Operational Log Book and Orders, the hand generator and other spares would then go in the case.

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Not much chance of that being missed amongst your socks if you were ever challenged to open the case smile

That's really rare and unusual stuff .... sort of thing that doesn't often escape into the wild. Suitably obselete these days not to trouble the OSA .... same as I don't need to keep my trap shut about the whereabouts and details of the post-nuclear command bunkers .... they're tourist attractions now !! .... the world turns smile

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K, your mention of bunkers triggered a memory of being requested to attend a rather large one, at a time when they were still part of the plan. Of course I could not find it, but created a bit of fun at the local town police station when I went in and asked for directions...!

I don`t have much in the way of old treasures, apart from the obvious... (-: A writing slope presented to my grandfather by some of those he trained in the military, old red driving licence, few thrupny bits and perhaps twenty or so old pennies. Other than that and perhaps more interesting in terms of valuing the past, some years back a friend of a friend of mine was shutting the doors on a long established ships engine manufacturers prior to building demolition, and gathered up the old photographs that were strewn over the drawing office floor. As my friend`s father had worked in the business man and boy, and was an engineer himself he thought my friend would like to have them.

I come into the story as the new owner of a computer with facilities to scan photographs, and thus was handed a pile of pics to digitise in the hope of preserving them to some degree. My friend has a wealth of knowledge of the works and we worked our way through the pics trying to catalogue the many and varied engines and works scenes.

Out of the collection one pic caught my eye more than the others, it is of and engine test run in the works, you can see the flywheel is blurred and there is one of the works cats in the process of attracting the attention of the engineer standing at the control station.... Apparently the nearby works tenement housing used to thrum during engine runs over the years, so I guess the mortar would have been pre loosened making demolition a simpler matter.

My friends father was the engineer tasked with rebuilding the PS Comet replica, the engine of which is held in the science museum in London, he spent some time with it in order to replicate it faithfully, the replica was sailed on the anniversary of the Comets first sailing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Comet#:~:text=The%20PS%20%28paddle%20steamer%29%20Comet%20was%20built%20in,the%20first%20commercially%20successful%20steamboat%20service%20in%20Europe.

I seem to have rambled on a bit, as ever..

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Thanks for sharing photos Luddite,takes me back to serving my apprenticeship at Doxfords marine engine builders Sunderland.Test bed running would be 24hours for 3/5days and at certain revs600/750 those massive marine engines would shake and vibrate like a Morriss A engine in a car.especially on sea trials.Notice cat at control engineers feet, the rough and tough marine engineers of heavy engineering were all softies at heart coming into the machine shops at holiday time to feed cats.Cheers


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The size of that engine is mind boggling, the noise must have been scary and no ear defenders in sight, eh, what's that you said?

Just read about the Comet , interesting history. Thanks for sharing George.


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Thanks for sharing the photos George. A reminder of times past... smile


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Originally Posted by pickles
Thanks for sharing photos Luddite,takes me back to serving my apprenticeship at Doxfords marine engine builders Sunderland...............Notice cat at control engineers feet, the rough and tough marine engineers of heavy engineering were all softies at heart coming into the machine shops at holiday time to feed cats.Cheers


In Sunderland, were it a black cat, it would be quite understandable.....


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Luddite: as a young lad my next door neighbour who was an Engineer at Mirrlees Blackstone Diesel in Stockport used to take me to see the engines they were making for the ships and railway engines of the day. They were as in your pictures absolutely huge and frighteningly loud, great memories.


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Thank you Luddite - Great photos of a magnificent engine. It looks well used and well set in place so I am intrigued to know what is meant by a 'test run' and what is going to happen to it afterwards.

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Hi engine would be stripped right down to bedplate,crankshaft,cylinders,pistons,etc ECT then transported in UK by pickford low loaders with police escort to shipyard where it would be installed in revervse into ship (after launch) then built up with all auxiliary engine room equipment started at quayyside then put though extensive tests on sea trials until ship owners,engine builders,and Lloyds where all happy.Most engines like in photo were built under licence as particular engine looks like a Sulzer engine Swiss company.Very limited to lifting by crane size at fitting out quays most limited to about 40tons .Once took a ship just lanched built in half so aft end towed from Sunderland to Glasgow around the top of Scotland then complete engine lifted in with the famous hammer head crane (now a museum piece of Glascow ) which had a 100ton lift then towed back to River Tyne and joined together with other half of bulk carrier ship then sea trials .Good old days with plenty of pay and job satisfaction I am just gone 65 this would no happen now all the skill lost or scattered ie. Germany,Taiwan,Japan.Doxford engines where designed and built in Sunderland but a lot of ship owners favoring Sulzer or Man engines as a lot of different countries built these under licence.A Doxford engine a R and D project left behind when everything closed 1980s(thank you Maggie Thatcher and EU)is hopefully going to be built in Beamish museum in near future and hopefully I can get involved as a volunteer to put together.


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It gives me great pleasure to think that there are others like me who can find interest and a sense of value in the preservation of our engineering heritage. I find it all too easy to fall into grumpy old man mode when I think of all the works of all types now long gone...

Pickles, I guess there may be a time and a place for everything, I am glad I was born where and when I was which provided me with a sense of place and a sense of purpose over my 50 working years having only been employed by two companies, yet with a variation in type of work and in locations that opened my eyes to so very much.. As for the giant cranes, there are a few up and down the river, one in the city centre that was used to load locally manufactured steam trains on to ships for transportation all over the world, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnieston_Crane Another halfway down river in Clydebank, known as the Titan Crane that served the berth where vessels such as HMS Hood and the "Queens" were built and fitted out...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Clydebank

Gordon, I guess the engineer and the cat were well used to the thrum of those huge engines while running tests.. Elf`n safety...? I remember as a yoof, working in your fine city in the court building at the end of Union Street and being up an extension ladder from a parapet to the centre of the face of the tower clock on that iconic building, a BIG spanner in one hand and a hammer in the other, both attached to my belt by light rope, and used to loosen the rather large nut holding the hands of the clock in place..... interesting times indeed.

Britmog, I used to fire up a rather large air start Blackstone engine that acted as an electrical standby for a couple of huge radars mounted at ground level, it was a very impressive bit of kit with it`s black enamelled side plates and chrome domed nuts. hand operated oil pump to pre- pressurise the lube system before pushing the button and bringing the monster back to life. The Blackstone like others had dual oil filters, to allow filter changes while the engine was running, no risk management or single point failures..we had back up systems to the back up systems...changed days.

Rob T, that was a brand new engine being run on test in the works where it was created and from the pic ID it seems to be the three hundred and ninety fourth engine to have been built there..as Pickles typed some were stripped right down and shipped out prior to finding their home in some fine ship, like so many before. On the other hand given the almost riverside location of the works, some were moved out whole a process oft involving Pickfords as Pickles noted, there were railway lines from the works across the road to the dockside less than a hundred yards distant... For a few years I used a cut off of that line as an anvil in my garage.

End of the line..

http://www.inverclydeshipbuilding.c...ering-companies/kincaids/the-last-engine

There stands a burger bar in the approximate area of the works and some modern flats.... Not many jobs for the young men in that area these days or for the last 30 or more years...a great pity.

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Strangely when i opened the Thread another small piece of artifact had gone off with my Mrs to be polished up, (it was buried in a loft for all these years) i have now been reinstated with it and it is sitting proud on a ledge in the living room, that's until the grand Child decided to trash it. She has been warned off (20 months old) but when you warn off a little one its only more temptation for them.

Anyway the cup reads:-
APPRENTICE OF THE YEAR 1982
Coles Cranes Limited Sunderland
Presented To
D.Royal
By The Chairman of ACROW

The Picture shows a Tankard Cup, that i was awarded in London after winning the Acrow Group apprentice of the year in engineering, Acrow Group had by then swallowed up Coles Cranes which held one of the biggest industrial sites in Sunderland and was originally owned by the Steels family..

Coles sat next to Doxford Engineering and then the Wear as well as the Tyne were littered with industry like this, i had entered Coles at 16 yrs of Age as an apprentice, one of the strange things i encountered was out of 17 apprentices that year, i was the only person who was awarded the position without having a family member already in the Business, in those days it was follow your Dad, most young ones got a job "Not on merit" but because their parent worked there.

I went on to win first year apprentice which was based in the dedicated Training Centre that Coles had on site, i had obtained some skill set from working in the family Garage so the Tools and work area's were familiar to me, where the other Guys were still wet behind the ears and just wanted to fool around, 'then' in 1982 i was awarded the top prize and presented with the Tankard and a Tool Box full of Tools.

With this apprenticeship we had to attend Tec Colledge once a week and our Group was encompassed with the Lads from Doxfords and the main ship Yards in Sunderland, i became good friends with a Guy from the Yards who eventually became an Engine Man and was involved in the Sea trials, we remain good friends to this day and although we have reinvented our carriers, him a Computer Wiz Kid and myself a Business man involved in Automotive Paint Supply.

I can remember vividly the Pickford's lorries lying all over the road waiting to be loaded with Engines or large sections of Ship, always Police escorted with Bike Patrol Guys, my Fathers Garage was sandwiched between Doxford's and the main Deptford Ship Yard Gate (Deptford Terrace) and we used to get a Bike Patrol knocking on the door informing us to stay put until they moved the load passed the Garage and down the bank, as a younger teenager it was fascinating to watch the huge structure going passed the door almost skimming the brick work it was so large.

Memories are wonderful and i am sentimental to how many people were employed up and down this river corridor, but ride down the river edge today on your cycle and it is a modern commerce of college and educational buildings, the Rivers are clean and full of health, local fishermen and sailing boats enjoy the clear waters and time has to move on.

So to the point, the Tankard (Antiques Road Show) will be 40 years old in 2022, i hope i am still enjoying life on earth when the Tankard is 50 years Old and is not damaged.

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Thank you Dean-Royal, Luddite and Pickles for these great stories. Now that these heavy industries are generally taking place in other countries and out of sight to many youngsters I feel that there is a lack of reality in much developmental thinking. Even those who lived in areas away from heavy industry were well updated with exploded diagrams in Eagle and other illustrated popular publications promoting the virtues of British engineering. Mention of the heavy crane brought back memories of that wonderful 'toy', Mecanno, although that particular model was well out of our price bracket at the time. I think it featured on the cover of one of their catalogues for many years.


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Would that be the same ACROW that produced the jack? A pin adjustable jack with heavy thread used in the building industry to support ceilings/masonry and used extensively in shuttering concrete.

I've had many a nipped and bleeding finger from them in the past.


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Would that be the same ACROW that produced the jack? A pin adjustable jack with heavy thread used in the building industry to support ceilings/masonry and used extensively in shuttering concrete.

I've had many a nipped and bleeding finger from them in the past.


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according to Wiki and the inventer apparently there is no connection , however I note the format Txt of how the name is embossed is the same

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It is the same company.
My career started at E.H.Bentall & Company, Maldon, Essex. Bentalls were also part of the ACROW Group, apart from Cles Cranes & Priestman they also owned Thos. Storey, manufacturers of the Bailey Bridge. As part of my apprenticeship, I welded many ACROW 'Shoreload' scaffold frames, & our foundry cast the large 'nut' used on the ACROW prop. Inever made the dizzy height of apprentice of the year, but I did wear a goalkeepers jumper for the Bentall works football team that we were given by Mr W.A. DeVigier who was the Chairman, & founder of the ACROW group afeter he played in a football match at the ACROW factory in Saffron Walden!
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I love this thread and it warms my heart to see these items being cherished rather then ‘flogged’.

Here are some of my treasures, not quite antiques but have some age.

My father’s ships clock, liberated from the mess of MGB 333 at the end of the war. I have the clockwork mechanism although it does not run and fitted an electric movement to keep it useful, it hangs on the wall of my darkroom/study
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My 1955 Leica M3
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A 1961 Rolleiflex
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A small collection of other older cameras including a Contarex - The King of cameras, I managed to breathe some life into it and it now works as well as the day it left the Zeiss factory
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I use all of these cameras, though less often than in previous years


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Lovely collection Kevin. I have a few decent old cameras, but not in the same league as you and am wondering what to do with them as I don't use them any more. Only a few have true sentimental value and, of course, I am now regretting losing a few on the way including a naval issue Reid III with Taylor Hobson lens. I definitely wished I hadn't traded that in many years ago!


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Originally Posted by Rob Thornton
Lovely collection Kevin. I have a few decent old cameras, but not in the same league as you and am wondering what to do with them as I don't use them any more. Only a few have true sentimental value and, of course, I am now regretting losing a few on the way including a naval issue Reid III with Taylor Hobson lens. I definitely wished I hadn't traded that in many years ago!

Yes the Reid is rising in desirability as it is rare compared to the Leica and probably every bit as good, Naval issue would be a very rare item.


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Nice cameras Kevin. Thanks for posting, I'd never heard of the Contarex (exposing my ignorance), is it heavy and hard to use or a delight?
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That is a fine collection of cameras Kevin, and very nicely displayed too. They are fine examples of mechanical engineering from a time gone by when engineering was valued. Modern cameras are fantastic requiring far less training and skill to grab a first class pic, I have even seen far superior pics to any I have managed to capture on my circa 25kg of kit, captured and processed on a cell phone... Yup the world moves on indeed.

Thanks for sharing. thumbs

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Great camera collection. Pleased to see you still use them, even if not as regularly as in the past. thumbs


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My great Grandfather on my father's side was a Coachbuilder, and ran a company in West London up until the 50's rivalling some of the great coachbuilders in the area

I'm the proud custodian of his remaining blueprints and drawings, along with huge amounts of photos from his and my grandparent's lives


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Love the drawings - and the cars of course, particularly the Austro Daimler. What a great family collection to have.


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What a fantastic thing to have in your possession. That is a real piece of motoring history as well as a family treasure.


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Thanks chaps
He was the carpenter crafting the ash frames
I’ve got all of his woodworking tools as well as his indenture certificate from his apprenticeship
He was called up in WW1 and mustard gassed in the trenches....


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Originally Posted by pickles
Thanks for sharing photos Luddite,takes me back to serving my apprenticeship at Doxfords marine engine builders Sunderland.Test bed running would be 24hours for 3/5days and at certain revs600/750 those massive marine engines would shake and vibrate like a Morriss A engine in a car.especially on sea trials.Notice cat at control engineers feet, the rough and tough marine engineers of heavy engineering were all softies at heart coming into the machine shops at holiday time to feed cats.Cheers


I've sailed on a Doxford engined ship, quite an experience, but your mind must be playing tricks, the big ones never revved at 600, more like 110 rpm.

Here's one (or rather two) in action. Go straight to 6.15 mins to see the top pistons showing their skirts and the rubber hose arrangement for water cooling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k6sOQLKuro

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Thanks for sharing those wonderful drawings and a bit of their history Simon, it was the hand crafted/coach-built aspect of Morgans that drew me to the marque. I am attracted to the hand/man made aspect of much around us, I guess it is just an age thing..(-:

mph, thanks for posting the vid of those engines in operation. No ear defenders in evidence.... The baby boomer generation sacrificed some aspects of their health to just get on with the job in hand, but then their fathers and grandfathers had to sacrifice so much more..and for much lesser rewards than are available today... hmm..?

I ever felt drawn to the sea and engineering as a youngster, following on in my ships engineer grandfathers footsteps, though my desire to ride m/cycles was ever that bit stronger and thus kept me on terra firma, though fortunately I seem to have inherited a smattering of grandfathers engineering chromosomes, which seem to have served me well... (-:

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Great drawings Simon, I can't think of the correct term but there's something warm & inspiring with proper hand drawings, I grew up in an extended family of Draftsmen and Architects and love this stuff


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Hi quite right got carried away with my 0s after 40 odd years Cheers.


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Great drawings and photos Simon.
My dad was a coachbuilder and did some good stuff. Renovated a Hansom cab (horse drawn taxi). Rebuilt a Morgan, built a recovery truck, many caravans, beach buggies,looked after several cars for locals (Bristol, Jenson, Jags, RR, local funeral director vehicles).
I have a small book from my early years with details of many cars from the pre-war era. It is similar to the “Observer Book of...” series in size. I also have a line drawing of a Moss box Plus8 found on ebay. I have scans of it in A4 size and, I think original A3) if anyone wants one. I’ll try getting it onto the Image site to post.
Keeping old archive stuff is too often overlooked.


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Am in a bit of a quandary regarding the model Valiant battleship that belonged to my father. It is an early 1920s tinplate model made by Sutcliffe Pressings Ltd and was handed down to my father in the later 1920s and then on to me in the mid 1950s. I have treasured it ever since although you wouldn't guess that from its condition! I suppose that is what comes from re-enacting sea battles in the local ponds and, of course, in the bath.

The power source is hot air propulsion with a metholated spirit burner heating up the air in copper coils located under the rear funnel, hence the burn marks there. Apparently Sutcliffe replaced this methodology with a clockwork motor in the late 1920s as it was thought to be a bit dangerous for the lads that were likely to own one.

The quandary is whether to restore and, if so, how to do it without taking away all the paint and it's character. The tinplate has acted like a galvanised coat and resisted rusting but stripping down and repainting might damage that. Patching up will be too noticeable but I don't want something that looks like a new toy either. My indecision means that it will probably never get restored but I am quite happy to keep in in full view as it is.
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Am in a bit of a quandary regarding the model Valiant battleship


It's wonderful, I wouldn't touch it at all.


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It’s glorious, every mark is a memory. A wonderful thing just as it is.

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I agree with the others, if you remove the existing patina you delete it's history, perhaps just a gentle rub of beeswax


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Originally Posted by Hamwich
Originally Posted by Rob Thornton
Am in a bit of a quandary regarding the model Valiant battleship


It's wonderful, I wouldn't touch it at all.

I'm with Tim
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Thanks all for the advice. That seals it: it will now be left with all its war wounds! Good job I didn't show you the other side though!

It just needs a new Royal Navy flag and a bit of rigging to complete it: this had the secondary purpose of keeping the funnels and control tower in place. Unfortunately it's box and instructions disintegrated after putting the ship away without drying properly. This lack of protection may explain some of the chips.


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Just bought this for a bit of fun, may even hook it up on the back of MH and take it Touring with us.
Does it class as an Antique (65yrs old) 1955

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Some years back I rode pillion on a Zundapp Bella, as a teenager, it was not a favourite amongst the Mods at the time. A four stroke if I remember correctly..?
Looks to be in concours condition... Ride safe... thumbs

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Simon, beautiful drawings, just wonderful

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What a great thread this is, keep them coming


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Originally Posted by Dean-Royal
Just bought this for a bit of fun, may even hook it up on the back of MH and take it Touring with us.
Does it class as an Antique (65yrs old) 1955

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I wouldn't take that on holiday in a MH, I'd have it hanging on the living room wall as a piece of art.
Mrs D might have an opinion on that though.


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This Wigan Casino first night badge was actually not on sale at the first all-nighter but a couple of months later when I just happened to be downstairs right next the place where they went on sale and was able to buy one for myself and one for my mate. There were only 250 of them made and consequently they're now highly collectable and fetch hundreds. My mate can't find his! smile


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There were only 250 of them made and consequently they're now highly collectable and fetch hundreds.


You are truly one of Wigan's chosen few !!


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