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Creaking kingpins #663846
23/09/20 07:10 PM
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Greasing my kingpins tonight and jacking the car up the drivers side lifted with quite a bit of creaking and a jerky motion

They were newly installed just 500 miles ago and were correctly reamed at the time of installation. Filled with grease at the time and re-greased after 200 miles (months ago now!)

Managed About 10 squirts into the top and lower nipples before grease came out As anticipated

All the joints were clean of excess grease before starting and wiped clean after greasing tonight.

So is theirs creaking and jerkiness normal with newish kingpins. The car drives great with no jerkiness or creaking apparent

Thanks

Gary


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Re: Creaking kingpins [Re: Grumpy2] #663849
23/09/20 07:56 PM
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I‘m inMOGs just for two years, but in classic MINIs for over 40years.

If a suspension is renewed there is the usual service nesseary. It‘s about 1000 miles.
When I read the manual there isn’ t a notice for a service in the early miles.

I think you have it just overdone. From the top there are only around five at the lower end only three pumps to do.

You hear it when it is enough. Than one more pump would be okay.

The sound you hear could be the compressed grease.

René




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Re: Creaking kingpins [Re: Grumpy2] #663854
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Could be that reaming was just a few thou tighter on that side. I believe the test is that after reaming, a greased kingpin inserted into the bush should just about hold its own weight without falling out. I would guess that after some use where the suspension has been worked a bit, (not difficult nowadays to find a bumpy road!)... it will settle down. On the subject of “how many squirts” it all depends of course on the output of your particular grease gun. As you correctly say, wait until the grease exudes and you know you are done. You can’t overdo greasing on kingpins as long as excess is wiped off.


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Re: Creaking kingpins [Re: Grumpy2] #663861
23/09/20 08:40 PM
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At the recent service at BHM the mechanic advised that kingpins sometimes need several hundred miles to wear in and work as they should once that occurs. Your set might just need a little more.


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Re: Creaking kingpins [Re: Grumpy2] #663868
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I would agree.


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Re: Creaking kingpins [Re: Grumpy2] #663875
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I would recommend you Jack up and remove road wheel, axle stands if you haven them. Then disconnect the track rod end and move away by turning on full opposite lock.

You can now turn the stub axle from fully one way to the other. Starting at lowest point squirt WD40 at all rub points, start with lower rebound spring to base plate contact area, whilst you spray move the stub back and forth and listen for a change in creak and there you are!

My bet is it’s the top of the main spring rubbing underneath the dust cover where the spring contacts. I always used to put a smear of grease on them and in fact on every rub point. Good news is the noise will probably ‘bed in’ and disappear after a few miles use, wet weather often starts the creaks and groans.

BR
Colin (you didn’t mention year or if you have steering bearings fitted?)


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Re: Creaking kingpins [Re: Grumpy2] #663878
23/09/20 09:59 PM
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Colin

I’ll give that a go and see what happens, my feeling is that it just needs bedding in given so few miles since reaming due to this ruddy pandemic.

I don’t have bearings but I did renew everything including fitting new ptfe dampers and associated blades


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Re: Creaking kingpins [Re: Grumpy2] #663879
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PTFE dampers? On my cars they were always metal. Or do you mean bushes for the shocks?


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Re: Creaking kingpins [Re: Spanner Juggler] #663880
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Originally Posted by Spanner Juggler
I would recommend you Jack up and remove road wheel, axle stands if you haven them. Then disconnect the track rod end and move away by turning on full opposite lock.

You can now turn the stub axle from fully one way to the other. Starting at lowest point squirt WD40 at all rub points, start with lower rebound spring to base plate contact area, whilst you spray move the stub back and forth and listen for a change in creak and there you are!

My bet is it’s the top of the main spring rubbing underneath the dust cover where the spring contacts. I always used to put a smear of grease on them and in fact on every rub point. Good news is the noise will probably ‘bed in’ and disappear after a few miles use, wet weather often starts the creaks and groans.

BR
Colin (you didn’t mention year or if you have steering bearings fitted?)


This^^^^


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Re: Creaking kingpins [Re: Grumpy2] #663881
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No. They replace the bronze blades with a steel thinner blade and ptfe washer, instead of the roller or ball bearings

Came highly recommended by a couple of well known contributors

Lightened the steering and improved the shimmy I had.

See eBay item. 264300098940


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