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Local dialect #663942
24/09/20 10:23 AM
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Comments by Keith and Dean on the wots my grammar like thread got me thinking.

Coming from a rural background in Aberdeenshire I was constantly told in school " could you repeat that in English please" this was back when there was a directive to schools to stamp out the use of the Scots language or in my case the Doric dialect.

I believe it is now being taught as a subject in some if not all schools like Gaelic is in the west coast. Personally I think this is good, local culture should not be forgotten.

I'm sure this must have happened in many other areas of the country? Or was it just me oops

Any recollections?


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Re: Local dialect [Re: Gordon D] #663943
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Being born in your city and coming from generations I still have the inflections despite leaving at the age of three.
I am often used as a translator for family gatherings if it ever comes in use (even when the actual words being used are English)
I am told it is kinder to the Dolphins if the aberdonians speak less somestick


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Re: Local dialect [Re: Gordon D] #663948
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In the Saddleworth area where I originate we have a very strange dialect. I am a proud possessor of several books in dialect which very few can understand. My Mum and Dad were native speakers and I learned it alongside normal English. Strangely enough when I read a dialect poem out to our friends from Bergen in Norway they understood it very well and said that I was speaking old Norse! I think it sad that dialects and even accents are fading away - they are part of our rich heritage.


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Re: Local dialect [Re: Gordon D] #663952
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When one is young it takes no time at all to pick up another language, accent or dialect. When I was about 9 (1955?) my family had, for a year or so, a dairy farm in Sussex at a village called Hurst Green. After several months at the local school it seems that when I was talking to my school friends my mother could not understand us. I don't know if it was dialect, or accent, or both. I visited the village a couple of years ago and even met someone who would have been at school with me but I had no trouble understanding anything so I suspect that local speech has now become somewhat "normalised".

Strangely enough the ex-farm property still has the name that my parents gave it and I was able to tell the present owners how the name was made up from the names of two Australian towns where we had lived.

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Originally Posted by PhilRoyle
In the Saddleworth area where I originate we have a very strange dialect. I am a proud possessor of several books in dialect which very few can understand. My Mum and Dad were native speakers and I learned it alongside normal English. Strangely enough when I read a dialect poem out to our friends from Bergen in Norway they understood it very well and said that I was speaking old Norse! I think it sad that dialects and even accents are fading away - they are part of our rich heritage.


Same experience in other parts of Greater Yorkshire. But nowadays much of the local dialect has died out to be replaced either by mangled slurred English , mock African American or Gudgerati.

I reckon its sad that Scots need to rename their local dailect of English as the Scots language. It isnt. Its just a regional dialect like lots of others in the UK

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Re: Local dialect [Re: PhilRoyle] #663992
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Originally Posted by PhilRoyle
Strangely enough when I read a dialect poem out to our friends from Bergen in Norway they understood it very well and said that I was speaking old Norse! I think it sad that dialects and even accents are fading away - they are part of our rich heritage.


Phil

Throughout the N East there are examples of there are numerous examples of old Norse words being incorporated into Anglo Saxon English

-Gate (as is Coppergate in York) gate is a street in Norwegian , even today.

-By , (as in Thornaby, Whetherby etc) by is a town in Norwegian

Ganzee , (pullover) comes from Ganse in Norwegian

I am sure there are many many others too.

We may be an island but we have had more than a few influences on our language over time.


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Re: Local dialect [Re: howard] #663996
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Originally Posted by howard


I reckon its sad that Scots need to rename their local dailect of English as the Scots language. It isnt. Its just a regional dialect like lots of others in the UK


I'm no expert but there are plenty who are would dispute that. Scots is apparently a language in its own right.

https://www.gov.scot/policies/languages/scots/#scots

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Re: Local dialect [Re: Gordon D] #664003
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I left Leeds when I was 18. Im 52 now and have never lost my thick Leeds accent. Thank ( imaginary ) God.
I live down Surrey way now and am being forever ask, 'sorry, what was that again' when talking to people hahaha


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Originally Posted by Gordon D
Originally Posted by howard


I reckon its sad that Scots need to rename their local dailect of English as the Scots language. It isnt. Its just a regional dialect like lots of others in the UK


I'm no expert but there are plenty who are would dispute that. Scots is apparently a language in its own right.

https://www.gov.scot/policies/languages/scots/#scots


+1 and it's true that there are a lot of similarities with old Norsk with many shared words. There are Scottish dialects of English but to say that Scots itself is one of them is far from correct.

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I worked in both Port Talbot and Cardiff. Both had different local accents and dialects. I added an extra one!
The villages around Llanelli have some differences too. Gwendraeth valley has some of its own compared to Llanelli town.
I had an uncle who was a vicar in North Wales. His Welsh was different to both the North and South Wales variants. He did have a Gog (N Wales ) accent. Some of his Welsh words were so long you forgot how they started by the time he got to the end! He was also very Dywiol that is spoke with a musical lilt in a soft tone. When he retired he moved to Aberwristwatch on the West coast ( look it up on a map laugh2)

Sospan jnr went to Uni in Cardiff. Stayed there ever since. His accent varies depending on the company he is with. Local Cardiff to BBC Wales to home here in Llanelli. He did a 4 program series for TV about going to Naples for the pizza world championships ( he has a pizza business). One episode was based in Bardi and showed the very strong links to Wales. There are many from that area who moved to Wales and several could speak Welsh. The series is on BBC Wales. Bois y Pizza.

A few years ago we went to Brittany a few times. Welsh and Breton have many similarities so my combination of Welsh and O-Level French made it easier to talk with locals.


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