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Help needed #663957
24/09/20 11:36 AM
24/09/20 11:36 AM
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Mandello del Lario
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This is not intended to start yet another debate. It is about preserving the existing rights of British citizens who presently live in the EU with family members that are EU citizens, I am putting it here rather than in the "members only" section because I believe it should not be a controversial issue and has wide reaching importance.

The following is the text of an email that I received today from the British in Italy group. If you feel you can help please do so.
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URGENT

Help needed before the 29th September

Help us secure rights of return - with our family members

Once more the UK government is looking to strip away the rights which we expected to keep for life by being part of the European Union.

Urgent help is required to support the amendments to the proposed Immigration Bill going through the UK parliament. Please can we ask everyone to read the information from the link below and help where you can.

Please click the following link to read the British in Europe (BiE) description of how you can help us to help you

https://britishineurope.org/2020/09/23/our-right-to-return-to-the-uk-with-our-non-uk-families/



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Re: Help needed [Re: Gambalunga] #664002
24/09/20 02:35 PM
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Perhaps you could break the law in a limited way - just as the UK government is proposing to do with international law!!!!!!


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Re: Help needed [Re: Gambalunga] #664179
25/09/20 03:24 PM
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But of course there is possibly a school of thought that says (A) We are not in the EU anymore & (B) If you wish to live in and enjoy Italy then why should you expect or want to return to the UK ? Just saying, no hidden agenda.


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Re: Help needed [Re: lowebird] #664252
25/09/20 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by lowebird
But of course there is possibly a school of thought that says (A) We are not in the EU anymore & (B) If you wish to live in and enjoy Italy then why should you expect or want to return to the UK ? Just saying, no hidden agenda.


Hmmm. British citizens have made their lives all over the EU, in good faith, on the basis of the law as it stood. The status quo has now changed, following a referendum in which many of us were denied any say.

To deny those citizens their rights is arguably in breach of the UN declaration of human rights. But then, ignoring International Law seems to be acceptable in Boris' Brexit Britain.


Giles. Mogless in Paris.
Re: Help needed [Re: Gambalunga] #664302
26/09/20 10:58 AM
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Giles, You are of course correct, I was just playing "Devils Advocate" I have always thought of myself as (A) a European and (B) a citizen of the world, excluding perhaps the Middle East !!!!


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Reg
Re: Help needed [Re: Gambalunga] #664745
28/09/20 08:15 PM
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Of course people relocated all over Europe before we joined the EU and they moved back and forth, I assume, with any family members collected on the way. What part of the proposed legislation will prevent this now?

Giles, how would it be if the French could not export food to Brittany because the UK, in trade negotiations, played under hand and would not list France as an acceptable supplier of food, but would accept Venezuela and Afghanistan. As for international law the EU breaks it by their own internal market rules against WTO rules as they passed laws to say that their rules over rule all external rules. But let's not start all that nastiness again.


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Re: Help needed [Re: Gambalunga] #664864
29/09/20 08:23 PM
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Mandello del Lario
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As the OP I stated that I did not want to start another debate. Please respect that and If you want to start a debate do it in the appropriate place.

As someone who has travelled the world more than the average person I would, however, like to point out that the laws on immigration to the UK have been considerably and progressively tightened even before the UK joined the EU. It is now not so easy for citizens of other countries who are married to British citizens and the government is intending to make it even more difficult with particular targeting of such families living in the EU.

The link given in the original post gives some examples of the type of difficulty this proposed legislation could cause.


Peter

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