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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: Luddite] #664780
29/09/20 08:09 AM
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I tend to agree with the petrol substitute thought Richard but I am also less worried about changes to what is under the bonnet than I was. That is perhaps because I don't get my enjoyment from tinkering with ICEs even though I appreciate them as marvels of design in their own right. Cars to me are about how well they respond, as an overall design, to the needs of the people who sit in them whether they are a driver or passenger and this is generally where they take their principal form from.


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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: Luddite] #664781
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I love my old classic, especially that I can fix 80% of it on my drive with a collection of non specialist tools. If I could find a reasonably priced classic saloon that would return 45mpg and keep up wth modern traffic, I'd get one of those too....

Much as I understand the drive to EV, I can't see the domestic infrastructure being in place for a very long time.


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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: Luddite] #664789
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For me owning and using a Classic vehicle is mainly about the nostalgia associated with it, both driving and static. I could only find that experience from an essentially original IC engined vehicle as I embrace it's complexity. When running it's a living thing. Practicalities of use are largely dismissed since I thoroughly enjoy the experience of driving something that still runs as was intended many years before. The camaraderie of like minded folk and often just passers by is icing on the cake.

Vacuum cleaners have been around for nearly as long as IC engined cars but although they serve a useful purpose I'm never going to get excited about owning or using one. If I find myself at some time in the future in a modern electric car I suspect it will be viewed by me similarly.


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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: Luddite] #664790
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So now I know why this song resonates with me so much...



Lyrics
My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm
Before the Motor Law
And now on Sundays, I elude the eyes
And hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire where my
White-haired uncle waits
Jump to the ground as the turbo slows
To cross the borderline
Run like the wind as excitement shivers
Up and down my spine
But down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me
An old machine
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new
Has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant Red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
We'll fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime
Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge
Well-oiled leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car
Shoots towards me two lanes wide
Oh, I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase
Ride like the wind
Straining the limits
Of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside

Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Alex Zivojinovich / Gary Lee Weinrib / Neil Elwood Peart
Red Barchetta lyrics © Ole Media Management Lp


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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: Richard Wood] #664796
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Originally Posted by Richard Wood

Vacuum cleaners have been around for nearly as long as IC engined cars but although they serve a useful purpose I'm never going to get excited about owning or using one. If I find myself at some time in the future in a modern electric car I suspect it will be viewed by me similarly.

Ah, go on - A classic Hoover Junior is a joy to behold! smile


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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: Richard Wood] #664798
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Originally Posted by Richard Wood
For me owning and using a Classic vehicle is mainly about the nostalgia associated with it, both driving and static. I could only find that experience from an essentially original IC engined vehicle as I embrace it's complexity. When running it's a living thing. Practicalities of use are largely dismissed since I thoroughly enjoy the experience of driving something that still runs as was intended many years before. The camaraderie of like minded folk and often just passers by is icing on the cake.


Absolutely !

Just being there is a good feeling. Our friends are not electric wink

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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: Luddite] #664807
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Eclectic beats electric.


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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: Luddite] #664814
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Modernising classics..? Interesting concept that seems to cover a multitude of possibilities, are we talking Eagle E, Singer 911`s and perhaps Morgan`s CX et all, or electrifying this that and the other or what...?

I joined the the interweb in the early days of automotive discussion, Morgans at Autox, and the then fledgling MSCC DG, and from that moment on I was educated as to the desires of Morgan owners who at the time seemed to be a spanner happy bunch with a variety of ideals as to keeping their old Morgans running, and there were everthose who wanted more engine performance, better handling, and some who were desirous of more bling to top it all off. So all in all there seemed to be a wide variety of desires from the community in general.

As time passed bones became stiffer, accompanied by ever increasing expectations of automotive engineering relative to quality, reliability comfort and on board toys, perhaps a time when the Aero was the new kid on the block at the MMC, but a bit like Porsches 928 as an attempt to replace the 911, the trad was still in demand with it`s vintage suspension and foibles enough to keep the spanner swingers happy, even if they were finding it that bit harder to get down and dirty as once they did with ease... hmm..?

Of course the interweb will ever attract those who for whatever reason may find disappointment in their purchases and they can usually be identified and set aside, or helped to resolve their issues, but after a few years reading of the many and varied foibles, a pattern of understanding begins to form, and the appearance of electronictrickery required to reduce emissions etc definitely caused a variety of issues that could perhaps have been resolved in past times with a fag packet,hammer pair of pliers and an adjustable spanner at the roadside would have no chance of resolving for those equipped with an old style mechanical mindset, of the type that I considered myself to be, thus when it came to the time for me to be the custodian of a Morgan, a more vintage driving experience was precisely that which I was desirous of, and with that despite years of reading of the many Morgan foibles, my good lady and I set off on our first foreign foray with a limited tool kit and a selection of spares for our first trip down to France from Central Scotland, all be it with a degree of can do confidence and fingers crossed. In following years we drove through Spain from top to bottom and back, and down to the Amalfi. Reliability..? I had to replace a fan belt having played with a 930 Turbo who was quite surprised by the performance of an old V8 engined Morgan in standard tune...(-: Other than that a split on a pre-formed rubber elbow feeding a carb caused a 10 minute halt to our enjoyment as I dug out a bit of rubber tube from the spares to effect a temporary repair that lasted till we were back home, thus all in all an old Mog and an old guy were seemingly well matched for quite a few years and we greatly enjoyed a few adventures together over that time, what`s more to want...?

Having sailed a bit over the years and having weathered a few storms that tested the boat, watching green water marching over the bow, past the fore-hatch and towards the mast before the bow breaks surface out from under ready for the next wave... knowing without the strength built into the boat one would not have made safe haven, one can find ones self becoming very fond of a strongly built old boat... My Morgan has to some extent entered a similar level of affection having carried us thousands of miles from home and back again on more than one occasion... Which is one of the reasons it still inhabits a space in my garage. I suspect James May`s Ferrari may NOT for whatever reason got under his skin in that way...?

But then as ever evolution takes it`s toll or improves aspects of our lives dependant on our individual judgements relative to our desires as the ageing process begins to show it`s hand. Having enjoyed the very good fortune of sampling a variety of sports cars through to grand tourers and a mix of up to the minute modernity as chosen by my good lady for her personal transportation, I am aware of the advantages of couch potato comfort, auto everything, beeps and buzzers to keep you awake, and fully admit that were I stuck in traffic with any degree of regularity then all that gubbins can take a degree of stress out of a commute, though fortunately for me I do not have to commute. When it comes to fun motoring I was ever up with the lark and living just outside the edge of suburbia I am already in the countryside, the last thing I am in search of is a comfortable less involving driving experience complete with cup holders and much else that drives the modern motorists desires... Of course having a bazillion horse power available on the Dukes Pass or any of the many miles of country roads hereabouts is perhaps less than ideal, and at such times I presume all the on board digital decision making to make up for brain fade would seem to be very necessary and could be thought to be advantageous, perhaps more so for one who knows his driving skills are not quite what they used to be some years back.... Hmm..?

But for now, I will stick with my old Morgan and enjoy the demands it makes of it`s pilot even when travelling at less than ballistic pace, occasionally roaring like a bull, accompanied with al fartnbang when dropping down through the gears blipping the throttle to try to encourage the gears to mesh in a reasonable time scale, all part of the enjoyment of driving an old and "slow" car compared to the computer guided missiles that fill the hearts desire of today`s yoof, or perhaps more suit old men who need the extra comfort and think it best to leave decisions on progress at any speed to auto this that and the other while enjoying playing with all the toys available when stuck in traffic.... Each to their own..

I will admit to rarely using my Morgan and part of that is that I have concerns re the planet, thinking I have been fortunate to enjoy machinery of all sorts and over many years. If my Morgan becomes a personal museum piece in the passage of time... so be it, to exchange it for currency would provide no pleasure whatsoever, unless I really needed to replace it with a 911 or somesuch in order to continue to enjoy a rare run out into the countryside with just a tad less exposure to the elements, while still finding a measure of involvement and thus reward from ownership and the driving experience..

My only real issue with pre Y2K auto-mobiles is the potential fuel change/compatibility issues, which in truth one of which may well even affect modern cars that spend periods of time laid-up....? I could be wrong, though it seems these modern bio-fuels need to be kept stirred up to some degree, for other than that it seems that their chemical makeup may begin to separate and settle into it`s constituent parts creating a sludge which may have it`s own issues when hoping to bring to it out of slumber on that first sunny day in Spring.... Hmm..? More than happy to be corrected if this is thought to be fake news...

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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: Luddite] #664820
29/09/20 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Luddite
My only real issue with pre Y2K auto-mobiles is the potential fuel change/compatibility issues, which in truth one of which may well even affect modern cars that spend periods of time laid-up....? I could be wrong, though it seems these modern bio-fuels need to be kept stirred up to some degree, for other than that it seems that their chemical makeup may begin to separate and settle into it`s constituent parts creating a sludge which may have it`s own issues when hoping to bring to it out of slumber on that first sunny day in Spring.... Hmm..? More than happy to be corrected if this is thought to be fake news...


Twice this year I've had to drain/flush the tank, drain the carbs and replace the fuel filter etc. on my ZX as the fuel at bottom of the tank had turned into a slushy dark red gunge. She's now being kept as brim full as possible, with some Valvemaster Ethno-guard stuff and some Sta-Bil for good measure.


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Re: Running old cars into the future..? [Re: howard] #664827
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[quote=howard]Do you really think that his Ferrari 308 isnt a great deal faster A to B than your ARP4 Paul?

Good point Howard, irrelevant, but good. Now I'm not sure about James Mays 308, but a pal has a 308 GTS of mid '80's vintage, and he, I and a Mk1 owning Elise friend went out for a blast in convoy on some lovely empty B roads on the north east side of Exmoor a couple of weeks back, I was tail end Charlie in the ARP4, the 308 was middle man and the Elise was in front. We were all trying hard.

Most of the time the Elise ran away from us, not by a huge margin, but about 5% - 10% quicker, although his 1800 K engine had been tuned a bit. I would say I was able to keep up with the 308 fairly easily, especially once his brakes started smelling, so the answer to your question is, yes, I would be able to easily keep up with a 308 ( GTS anyway), but not a series one Elise.

Does that answer your question? grin2


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