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"Historic" Class - pros and cons? #669268
27/10/20 07:41 AM
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I looked out the chassis record for my 4/4 at the weekend and discovered that the car was despatched on 28 October 1980, so tomorrow she turns 40. (Happy birthday Ada party)

I know that means that, theoretically, she'll be tax and MOT exempt. A while ago I was told that I won't have to tax the car anyway, but will have to register as "historic" to get MOT exemption. However - this person said - some owners chose not to register their cars as historic for reasons which I can't now recall (something to do with insurance perhaps?).

Poking around the DVLA website I believe my informer was wrong. www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles seems to be saying that no car over 40 needs an MOT but you have to register as "historic" to get the tax exemption.

I'm sure there must be owners here who have been through the process. I notice I can't register as historic until next April but can I stop having the car tested from tomorrow? Is there any disadvantage to putting a car in the historic class? I'm usually pretty good at deciphering official bumph but I'm finding some of the online information a little ambiguous.


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Re: "Historic" Class - pros and cons? [Re: Ian Wegg] #669273
27/10/20 08:05 AM
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As far as I understand your vehicle must be classed as 'Historic' on the V5 to have Tax and MOT exemption.

MOT exemption is not compulsory - you can still MOT if you want to,

I've transfered a Bike to Historic and about to do another. Painless operation. Had no affect on insurance. Can't think of any downsides?


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Re: "Historic" Class - pros and cons? [Re: Ian Wegg] #669274
27/10/20 08:07 AM
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I have two historic vehicles Ian so have an interest. Both mine were already classed as "Historic" on V5C when I bought them. I understood the MOT exemption only applied on vehicles with that status though. Furthermore, for the moment at least, when re-taxing the vehicle each year at zero cost, you have to answer a question on vehicles eligibility for MOT exemption - modifications in last 30 years etc. which could remove its historic status.

I can see no disadvantage in having a complying vehicle registered for historic status excepting some insurance policies limit annual mileage for such albeit with generally lower premiums.


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Re: "Historic" Class - pros and cons? [Re: Ian Wegg] #669275
27/10/20 08:13 AM
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I don't think there are any particular disadvantages currently, but I suspect it's the thin end of a wedge. Ultimately they could use historic status to restrict the ability to use vehicles - stuff like restriciting annual mileage, preventing them from entering cities or using motorways maybe?

I reckon they are planning for (and the auto industry is lobbying for) a future dominated by large numbers of cars with complex driver aids which go beyond current stuff like lane assist or radar cruise and I suspect they see old cars as being an impediment to this.


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Re: "Historic" Class - pros and cons? [Re: Hamwich] #669276
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Originally Posted by Hamwich
II reckon they are planning for (and the auto industry is lobbying for) a future dominated by large numbers of cars with complex driver aids which go beyond current stuff like lane assist or radar cruise and I suspect they see old cars as being an impediment to this.


I said something similar in another thread quite recently smile

My only solace is the VED Exemption for classics has been around for about 25 years, and there's been no detriment yet.


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Re: "Historic" Class - pros and cons? [Re: Ian Wegg] #669277
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Re: "Historic" Class - pros and cons? [Re: Ian Wegg] #669279
27/10/20 08:45 AM
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I have several vehicles registered as Historic .... not seen any downside so far .... you still have to go through the motions of taxing it, but there's no charge.

My only concern is as above, that someday they'll use the Historic registration as the basis of a catch-all restriction on old cars .... no sign of it yet.... hopefully my driving days will be over before daring to pilot your own car manually without driver assistance on the public highway is seen as such an irresponsible and socially unacceptable undertaking that no insurance company will touch it.

K

Re: "Historic" Class - pros and cons? [Re: Ian Wegg] #669282
27/10/20 09:04 AM
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It looks like there is no downside so I shall press on and register it. I have an MOT booked next month and I plan to continue to have the car tested in the future. Perhaps I'll wait a bit longer for the next one, it will be nice to drive it to the MOT station in the Spring rather than November!

Thanks, everyone for the replies,


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Re: "Historic" Class - pros and cons? [Re: Ian Wegg] #669287
27/10/20 09:20 AM
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Some years ago I put my Stag on historic. Took a bit of paper shuffling and chasing the DVLA but no problem once done. Saved the annual tax bill.

In those days there was no MoT exemption. If I did it now, I think I would still MoT the car to have a second independant check on its roadworthyness. Got to be a help in the case of an accident so its worth the £50 IMO.

Incidently, the key used to be date of manufacture and not date of sale.

Last edited by howard; 27/10/20 09:55 AM.
Re: "Historic" Class - pros and cons? [Re: Ian Wegg] #669303
27/10/20 11:20 AM
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I don't remember having to do anything to change the class, one year I no longer had to pay road tax.


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