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Re: Rear springs
[Re: thelastgizmo]
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15/11/20 01:36 PM
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Heinz
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Peter, the photo of my post from last night shows the U bolts on the lifting platform at maximum rebound deflection...with the wheels in the air. So it is safe that the u-bolts do not touch the inner edge of the chassis under all conditions. MMC has even drilled a hole at this point in the inner edge for safety. But I will not need it. The longer U-bolts are free to move because they are placed next to this metal sheet of the chassis. They do not bump anywhere.
'14 4/4 graphite grey
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Re: Rear springs
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15/11/20 01:45 PM
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Watching this thread with interest .... perhaps we should use 'bump stops' and 'rebound stops' to avoid confusion ?
K
Yes my apologies. I meant rebound stops!
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Re: Rear springs
[Re: Heinz]
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15/11/20 04:29 PM
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bmgermany
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Thanks, Roger, a good advice re the damaged cable! Advice in German for Heinz: Das Material wird als Powerband" oder als "Selbst vulkanisierendes Isolierband" angeboten. Viel Erfolg!
2005 4/4 1800ccm Duratec and a lot of HONDA CX500.......
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Re: Rear springs
[Re: thelastgizmo]
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15/11/20 04:49 PM
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CooperMan
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Heinz, good write up. I noticed you mentioned your existing dampers are leaking (despite not looking old)
A watchpoint with AVO's is that they are not fitted with a top bumpstop on the ram, so if they become over compressed, it breaks the internal valving and they leak, I'm not sure if they do the same if extended too far, but it wouldn't surprise me
So, to others using AVO's be very careful to have a little reserve in the compressed length
Jon M
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Re: Rear springs
[Re: thelastgizmo]
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16/11/20 11:58 AM
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The idea that a shocker fitted to a Trad might also act as a bump stop seems far less than ideal. I can understand that there may have been quality issues relative to leaf springs ageing "prematurely" and thus exacerbating the already minimal suspension travel in a Trad, perhaps even more so in Trads with tubular shockers than the original design concept that utilised lever arms..? If the aforementioned might be the case, that would cause me to wonder if lever arms ever suffered the similar situation of them becoming involuntary bump stops...? By the time I arrived at Morgan ownership I had passed through the natural stage of having an overwhelming desire to modify machinery, having modified much to destruction while ignoring the advice of engineers...! Fortunately I survived the process while the machines may have unduly suffered, and by the time of acquiring my Morgan I had lost that mad for modifying gene along with many of my other youthful persuits...  While typing modifications, I wonder was the tubular shocker hoop on the rear of trads, a Morgan creation or another of those that was born out of owner based ideas of improvement, just as others of the same may have ended up as accepted by the Morgan community or even ended up being adopted by the MMC..?
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Re: Rear springs
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16/11/20 01:44 PM
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The idea that a shocker fitted to a Trad might also act as a bump stop seems far less than ideal. I can understand that there may have been quality issues relative to leaf springs ageing "prematurely" and thus exacerbating the already minimal suspension travel in a Trad, perhaps even more so in Trads with tubular shockers than the original design concept that utilised lever arms..? If the aforementioned might be the case, that would cause me to wonder if lever arms ever suffered the similar situation of them becoming involuntary bump stops...? I think the damper rod bump stop is fairly common practice - Bump StopWith the traditional 6 and 7 leaf springs of the older Morgans, there was no need for a bump stop as there wasn't enough travel to warrant one. Once you fit the lighter 4 leaf springs, then there is more need for one. PJB sketched up a design for me using Alfa105 progressive bumpstops and they were really easy to knock up and fit. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.tm-img.com/images/2020/05/09/WiH4F4WRWYOPq-R716GhgTzBRJBS-gVh2uM-FGcMcy7QMPdpR3mEZ1_vCoQPdX4WHODTRujH9GmXW3p2J7P5LFdpA-qfigcT1MSMBTP7Rvo5lpxg_oPopyQaJkCMBONJ4z6haWkt7dDt_qTp4T2kjusuWwVL2MvhJkKFbC9hGphXYqu7n5HXO9Jgxv5Eg2WBy-SSNMUo.md.jpg)
1972 4/4 4 seater - 3G Morganeer Too many ratty motorbikes
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