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Re: Swan song [Re: LightSpeed] #674076
21/11/20 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LightSpeed
The ev body might lend itself well to an inline bmw 3 cylinder.


Would be nice to have another petrol version but with onset of electric vehicles and the EV3 launched in 2016 ish, so it must of been in development 2014? Plus their experience with the Plus E which was 2012/3 possibly. I can't see them wasting anymore time and not producing an electric vehicle. Still looking on the bright side at least new owners of an EV 3 wheeler can tell which bit is squeaking more easily 😉

Re: Swan song [Re: PeterG] #674079
22/11/20 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterG
Originally Posted by LightSpeed
The ev body might lend itself well to an inline bmw 3 cylinder.
Still looking on the bright side at least new owners of an EV 3 wheeler can tell which bit is squeaking more easily 😉


So true,


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Re: Swan song [Re: atalante83] #674080
22/11/20 05:16 AM
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I'd be surprised if BMW would provide Morgan with their latest big twin motorcycle engine as they just came out with it for their R18. Would a different front suspension be needed to clear the wide engine? BMW did a great job on the looks of that engine (looks like their pre-1970 Boxer), it would need to be out on display at the front.

The only V-twin engine that I know of that is mass produced, offered for sale independently from the bike, EU5 compliant (expected), would be Harley's M8 engine. As many here already know, they offer a water cooled heads version which would be good for low speed driving and a functional radiator would look right at home siting behind the V-Twin as has been done a 100 years earlier. With Harley needing revenue, I don't see why they wouldn't want to sell a few hundred or so a year to Morgan. Now to make the next 3-Wheeler a bit larger all around (more interior room) and a fix/remake for the Centa. Regarding MotoGuzzi's smoother fireing 90degree V-Twin, I don't know if they offer engines separately for use by other manufactures, If they would do so with the standard gearbox, it would save some weight along with the expected more interior room.

As many here would agree, it's that V-Twin engine out in the front which makes this vehicle so interesting, a the quintessential Morgan 3-Wheeler needs a V-twin. I personally wouldn't care much for a hidden engine 3-Wheeler, though I can Morgan going with a BMW car engine as they have with their latest 4 wheelers. The 1.5 3cyl turbo with BMW supplied gearbox would be a logical choice when paired with a CX style chassis.

So will the next 3-Wheeler be evolutionary or revolutionary? Perhaps evolutionary in styling on the outside and revolutionary in engineering under the skin?

Re: Swan song [Re: olwyn] #674081
22/11/20 05:23 AM
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One other thing going for the Harley M-8 motor is that they are offered for touring with one counterbalance shaft and for the Softails, they have dual counterbalance shafts. They are super smooth.

Pete used the earlier Twin-Cam "B" motors with the dual counterbalance shafts in his Liberty ACE three wheeler. I've ridden a few of the later, but prior to the M-8, Softails and they are so smooth they are solid mounted to the bike frames, no rubber mounts at all.

Something tells me though that Harley would not be too willing to sell motors for the M3W, just a gut feeling. smile

Re: Swan song [Re: atalante83] #674086
22/11/20 07:57 AM
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Could look quite cool with this slung out front and be a neat package with the clutch and gearbox combined. Sequential gearchange interesting too and more cabin room without the MX5 gearbox.
Keep the rear drive the same with just a drive shaft between engine and bevel box. With the original solid bevel box mount of course!
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Re: Swan song [Re: Obie] #674088
22/11/20 08:09 AM
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I wonder if they would still offer the RAF Roundels as an option :-)


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Re: Swan song [Re: PhilipNZ] #674102
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Originally Posted by PhilipNZ
I wonder if they would still offer the RAF Roundels as an option :-)
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Interesting to see someone from NZ openly making fun of air force roundels Phil innocent

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Re: Swan song [Re: +8Rich] #674131
22/11/20 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by +8Rich
Or maybe the new BMW boxer power unit and proven drivetrain.


Totally agree. Use the entire BMW drive train with swing arm and shaft drive bevel box. All well engineered, tried and tested.


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Re: Swan song [Re: 2to3wheels] #674137
22/11/20 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 2to3wheels

Originally Posted by +8Rich
Or maybe the new BMW boxer power unit and proven drivetrain.


Totally agree. Use the entire BMW drive train with swing arm and shaft drive bevel box. All well engineered, tried and tested.


A bit of a no brainer really but I guess BMW need to want to trade. Though it does look like they are building up to add MMC to their product portfolio once the Italian VC sell them off in what 18 months whilst the lipstick on the pig still looks good.


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Re: Swan song [Re: atalante83] #674142
22/11/20 12:56 PM
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Problem with the BMW swing arm is the offset drive shaft right where you don’t won’t it

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