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Re: Lockdown! [Re: Gambalunga] #674103
22/11/20 09:25 AM
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The apprenticeship discussion is an interesting one and something I have thought about frequently. Mainly because I'm rapidly reaching the age of slowing down ( notice I didn't say retirement because of pension issues within the building trade, but that's a different debate.)

I pressed my previous employer hard to employ an apprentice to learn and carry on the skills in workshop joinery, in his words it was pointless because you invest time and money just to have them leave for a higher paid job after 4 years.
I could see his point, however the trade bodies and employers are the ones who could put changes in place to prevent the leakage of talent from the industry.

It's also true too much emphasis has been placed on academic qualifications within the industry, we can't all be site managers, there is a long-standing "them and us" mentality that needs to change as well. A recently retired friend who was a technical teacher and I used to debate this often, he agreed with everything I said but told me change would be slow, or maybe never as many kids did not have the work ethic to do a manual job. I'm still hopeful that the education system and proper parenting can change this but worry it won't come in time.


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Re: Lockdown! [Re: Gordon D] #674123
22/11/20 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordon D
It's also true too much emphasis has been placed on academic qualifications within the industry, we can't all be site managers, there is a long-standing "them and us" mentality that needs to change as well. A recently retired friend who was a technical teacher and I used to debate this often, he agreed with everything I said but told me change would be slow, or maybe never as many kids did not have the work ethic to do a manual job. I'm still hopeful that the education system and proper parenting can change this but worry it won't come in time.


Interesting. We've just had our solar system commissioned, and when chatting to the installation guys they were saying that they were very busy and the business was growing. They had an opportunity for a young person to join the team as an trainee installer. Loads of people applied, whittled down to 19 for interview. Nobody turned up for the interview.


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Re: Lockdown! [Re: Hamwich] #674206
22/11/20 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordon D
It's also true too much emphasis has been placed on academic qualifications within the industry, we can't all be site managers, there is a long-standing "them and us" mentality that needs to change as well. A recently retired friend who was a technical teacher and I used to debate this often, he agreed with everything I said but told me change would be slow, or maybe never as many kids did not have the work ethic to do a manual job. I'm still hopeful that the education system and proper parenting can change this but worry it won't come in time.

Don't worry it will all be done by robots soon.





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Re: Lockdown! [Re: Gambalunga] #674228
22/11/20 07:06 PM
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Once you have seen the Ocado warehouse all things seem possible.


Just time to burn a little more petrol before dinner.
Re: Lockdown! [Re: Alistair] #674231
22/11/20 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Alistair
Once you have seen the Ocado warehouse all things seem possible.


Indeed. An amazing place.



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Re: Lockdown! [Re: Gambalunga] #674250
22/11/20 08:30 PM
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I have visited a new Amazon warehouse.
Amazing to see the robots driving around and carrying the goods to several places in the giant areal.

Some days ago I have seen a video how a complete two family house is 3D printed.


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Re: Lockdown! [Re: Gambalunga] #674252
22/11/20 08:33 PM
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I can remember around 25-30yrs ago the concept of the brick laying robot on the news, it was dismissed as ridiculous by the bricklayers at the time. It has become a reality and I'm sure will be extremely useful building the large job centres that will be required. laugh2

Back to the thread though, it looks like we'll get cut a bit of slack over Christmas. Let's just hope people are sensible.


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Re: Lockdown! [Re: Gambalunga] #674253
22/11/20 08:46 PM
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Just had the message, school shutting for a week due to staffing levels.


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Re: Lockdown! [Re: TBM] #674259
22/11/20 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TBM
Just had the message, school shutting for a week due to staffing levels.


That sounds like good news. What will that mean for workload?


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Re: Lockdown! [Re: Paul F] #674263
22/11/20 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul F
Originally Posted by TBM
Just had the message, school shutting for a week due to staffing levels.


That sounds like good news. What will that mean for workload?



All lessons are set remotely via our 'learning platform' (we've uploaded all PPT/textbooks/Wiorksheets etc already for those who are self isolating) and then we're online to answer any questions from students during the lessons. Would much rather be in the classroom, but it's the best we can do in the circumstances.


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