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Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: WilsonLaidlaw] #678273
16/12/20 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by WilsonLaidlaw
Originally Posted by K Henry
I ordered a few parts from an S&S affiliate this morning. The reseller informed me that he had been made aware that S&S will no longer be producing or selling anything X wedge. S&S have sold all X wedge IP (to include parts manufacturing and their distribution) to an “over seas” company.

If this is true, then S&S will have nothing to with the motor and it’s world wide homologation (or lack there of) after the 1st of Jan 2021.



Ouch! That may well mean that spares for the S&S are going to become a problem. I did wonder when S&S told me last August that they were no longer making the big bore kit for the X-Wedge. I would assume the overseas company is likely to located in China or India and the engine will be for industrial/agricultural use. I wonder if it is worth contacting Morgan to ask what arrangements they have made to ensure a continuity of engine spares.

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Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: Bunny] #678331
16/12/20 07:53 PM
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Bunny, My sentiments exactly.

I was also told that there was a relatively larger custom American Motorcycle company that has been a “large” consumer of the x wedge, they were told to contact the new owner for all parts, to include simple things like cam belts. I can’t even speculate what this may mean for warranty repairs.

This company and all of the larger S&S parts distributers have been locked by NDA from identifying the new owner.

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Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: WilsonLaidlaw] #678337
16/12/20 08:18 PM
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The X-Wedge doesn't get Euro 5 because the manufacturer doesn't want it. They would do it if they really wanted to. Even the russian motorcycle brand Ural has now managed to overcome the hurdle for the boxer engine. And they only build a few hundred engines a year. Ural is a much smaller company than S&S.

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Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: WilsonLaidlaw] #678339
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Is there a two litre air-cooled engine that currently passes Euro 5?

I may be naive, but I find it difficult to believe that MMC or KH have not stockpiled enough spares to cover servicing and warranty repairs for some time to come.

Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: WilsonLaidlaw] #678343
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BMW 1.8 litre boxer! Harley-Davidson Milwaukee 8 will made it, 1868cc. The Indian Chief with 1890 cc should also make it.

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Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: WilsonLaidlaw] #678362
17/12/20 03:45 AM
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That bmw R18 would be very nice if they could figure out the adapter.

Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: WilsonLaidlaw] #678375
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Like most modern cars, I suspect these Euro5 engines will have all sorts of electronics the manage injection/ignition/emissions and these will likely integrated into sensors and systems in the rest of the vehicle via CANBUS type links. All of this makes putting a different engine in a vehicle not designed for it a lot more complex than a metal adaptor.

Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: WilsonLaidlaw] #678775
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S&S Tech dept told me today that they defwill be stopping all production of the X-Wedge engines but parts will be available.

Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: 3Gs] #680053
27/12/20 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 3Gs
How about putting one of these out front? https://thekneeslider.com/allen-millyard-builds-a-5-liter-v-twin/ there is a cool video of it running too!

5 liters = 305 cubic inches; I wonder what the HP is?

Just reading the Roy Fedden biography - in 1919 he built a 3-cylinder air-cooled radial when at Cosmos for a new post-war light car. His was 1.2l but if the G56 team used their Backburne experience (and cylinders - HD?) that might extrapolate to 1.5l, 85bhp, 80lbft... about right? Of course mounting might be a challenge smile


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Re: No Euro 5 for the S&S X-Wedge 113? [Re: LightSpeed] #680061
27/12/20 12:03 PM
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Thanks LightSpeed. Really good to know. I was starting to think I should sell my M3W for fear the engine would become unserviceable in the future.


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