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Re: Suffolk Cars [Re: mph] #691754
04/03/21 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mph
They may well be able to intimidate smaller companies into submission.


Not meant in a rude manner to you mph but that is the point. What is the value to their business in enforcing such a minor bump. Even if, as outlined, they make their own multi-million pound ironic continuation models who is honestly going to think that the customer for one would consider the other in both directions?

If JLR have made such crude mistakes in the open letter it would be shocking and a few people need to be marched to HR/Legal for a discussion on end of employment transition. All quite sad for their reputation if true. Also a shocking waste of money that needs to be put into product development right now.

However given they have given us another £100k+ model to support full range overlap this week (Defender V8) I doubt they are listening. I am just waiting for the first £80k Evoque to be released to baffle me further.


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Re: Suffolk Cars [Re: ChrisConvertible] #691760
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The last Defender V8's they produced were about £150k each, so does that make this new one a bargain at £100k ??

Re: Suffolk Cars [Re: Alistair] #691769
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Originally Posted by Alistair
Originally Posted by mph
They may well be able to intimidate smaller companies into submission.


Not meant in a rude manner to you mph but that is the point.



Oh I'm aware of the point. I just don't see that it was worth making.

They have pursued a very small "business" in one of the only jurisdictions where they had a chance of success.

If they succeed in destroying the "mass" replica market, which I doubt, they don't have a product to replace it. So once again, what's the point ?

Jaguar Classic has been badly run from the offset and they've shown a lack of understanding of the Classic market.

C-Type replicas (Re: Suffolk Cars) [Re: ChrisConvertible] #691795
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The April edition of Complete Kit Car magazine has a couple of interesting articles. Whilst all this has been going on in Sweden, there is a completely different story in the U.S:

US REPLICA MARKET OPENS UP
The USA's National HighwayTraffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has issued the new [Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers] Act. Under the new legislation, a replica can now be assembled with many of the old regulatory barriers lifted. The only caveats are that the design is of at least 25 years of age, total production is limited to a maximum of 325 cars a year and that all vehicles meet current emissions standards.


In a separate article on the JLR case, the magazine's opinion is that the suggestion other manufacturers might follow suit is over-stated:

"We've seen similar cases before which have had little on-going effects for the replica scene. If nothing else, the widespread public relations backlash is likely to temper other manufacturers' willingness to pursue such cases".

I have to say my sympathies have swung from one side to the other a couple of times already. Ultimately they will rest with whichever side is shown to have been telling the truth.


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C-Type replicas (Re: Suffolk Cars) [Re: Ian Wegg] #691824
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Originally Posted by Ian Wegg
The April edition of Complete Kit Car magazine has a couple of interesting articles. Whilst all this has been going on in Sweden, there is a completely different story in the U.S:

US REPLICA MARKET OPENS UP
The USA's National HighwayTraffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has issued the new [Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers] Act. Under the new legislation, a replica can now be assembled with many of the old regulatory barriers lifted. The only caveats are that the design is of at least 25 years of age, total production is limited to a maximum of 325 cars a year and that all vehicles meet current emissions standards.


In a separate article on the JLR case, the magazine's opinion is that the suggestion other manufacturers might follow suit is over-stated:

"We've seen similar cases before which have had little on-going effects for the replica scene. If nothing else, the widespread public relations backlash is likely to temper other manufacturers' willingness to pursue such cases".

I have to say my sympathies have swung from one side to the other a couple of times already. Ultimately they will rest with whichever side is shown to have been telling the truth.

Interesting post, thank you


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C-Type replicas (Re: Suffolk Cars) [Re: Ian Wegg] #691958
05/03/21 06:29 PM
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I wonder if MMC is taking advantage of this act: they could easily sell 325 Roadsters a year in the USA. Or are they going to use it for the PlusSix??


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C-Type replicas (Re: Suffolk Cars) [Re: ChrisConvertible] #691961
05/03/21 06:38 PM
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That's the ruling they have been taking advantage of for the Plus 4's and Roadsters so far and I believe the Plus Six is the next one once it has undergone (another set of ) emissions tests over there.
Of course they already have that power unit certified over there in other cars but that's the way it stands at the moment.

I think it was Dennis that put this out on his FB site if I recall correctly around a week ago.


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Re: Suffolk Cars [Re: ChrisConvertible] #692183
07/03/21 10:27 AM
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Here are some statements that JLR made to the court with. The follow-up comments are from a well know Jaguar Specialist.


“Jaguar disputes the claim that various companies over the years have manufactured a number of Jaguar replicas without any discussion with Jaguar, or action taken by Jaguar.”
Utter nonsense

“Jaguar also disputes that the company has allowed replicas to compete in races arranged by Jaguar.”
The Jaguar-sponsored Jaguar Classic Challenge (originally set up between JD Classics and Jaguar) welcomed "continuations and replicas". Indeed, the founding director of what is now Jaguar Classic drove a replica C-Type in the series. The car was not built by Jaguar but by a third party.

“Jaguar is currently reviewing the rules in the Jaguar Classic Challenge to rewrite and relaunch the competition so that replicas are not allowed.” rofl

“...we, as in Jaguar Cars, at that time sold vehicles (C-Type Jaguars) to individuals for use on the road, not as race competition vehicles”.
Jaguar Cars built 53 C-types, including the works cars. Only four examples were not raced, or entered in races, by their original owners.

Probably the best known and pre-eminent Jaguar author, Philp Porter, has now expressed his views. Jaguars so called "expert witness" appears to be under some scrutiny.


https://porterpress.co.uk/blogs/news/jaguar-c-type-replicas

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