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Staggered rubber #703306
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It’s a ballache trying to find staggered tyres.

Why is there no easy way of finding both sizes in one shot??

You chaps with 224/40/18 and 255/35/18

What you fitted?


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Re: Staggered rubber [Re: Viper] #703319
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Why do you want staggered tyres?


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Fat jobbies up back.

Have always run them, got them now


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Re: Staggered rubber [Re: Viper] #703381
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Bloody hell Viper those are low profiles! OK for a track but on our “great” roads?
Other issues.......will they fit under the wings?
Less cushioning due to small sidewalls making for a harsher ride.
Ground clearance?
I haven’t looked at calcs road speed effect either.
Maybe wider with same profiles as original would be better if you can find some.you’d get the “look” with maintained ride.


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It’s what I have fitted here.

35 is only an aspect ratio so the tyre being a 255 means the sidewall is taller than a 40 on a 225 if anything.

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Looks good!


Originally Posted by Viper
It’s what I have fitted here.

35 is only an aspect ratio so the tyre being a 255 means the sidewall is taller than a 40 on a 225 if anything.

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I have the same sizes on the Series 2 and last time I purchased I found Michelin Pilot Super Sport in those sizes. I realise they are now replaced with MPS4S in the range so not certain if you can still find fresh ones. Absolutely great grip and feel.

They are certainly more forgiving than the lower profile 19's on the Coupe.


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Re: Staggered rubber [Re: Viper] #703393
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Yeah I love the MPS4S but they don’t do both sizes.


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They do in the US, you just need to find someone to import them.. wink

Otherwise its MPS4 (the non-S) version only in those sizes for UK.
Or if you go for 245/40 on the back then you can have Cup Sport 2s, or Cup Sport 2s with build in tyre sensors (called connect).

Re the tirewall size a 255/35 is almost identical in sidewall height to a 225/40, which is why BMW use that staggered configuration on some of their cars. There is a handy online calculator below where you can compare two tyre sizes:
https://tiresize.com/tyre-size-calculator/


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Re: Staggered rubber [Re: Viper] #703737
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Nick makes a good point, often the UK importer will not bring all products in based on historic volumes. I found this out when trying to find some tyres for an R33 GTR a long time ago. I approached them with a couple of other GTR owners and we all bought 2 sets each so they did a special order. It took about 2 months to arrive as they it was a Japanese manufactured item not EU.

The other option is to hit the EU or US web sites and look at the availability.

US - https://www.tirerack.com/content/tirerack/desktop/en/homepage.html

EU and so more chance of shipment
Mytyres, most of the shipments come from france and germany anyway and I believe tyre are a german company from the invoices.
Tyreleader are similar to the above but I have had a couple of bad service attempts with so don't use them anymore.
They both have UK .co.uk sites but can also be found in EU blends which offer tyres I do not see on the UK ones like Blackcircles.

If you can get the Mich Pilot Super Sports they are still pretty good but do check the age of manufacture.


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Re: Staggered rubber [Re: Viper] #703742
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Is load rate 94 ok?


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Fo several years now I've used this bunch - https://www.tyres-pneus-online.co.uk and they have been excellent in terms of choice, price and service. What you'll notice now though is that following 31.12.20 they are now unable to splay to the UK and I guess us leaving the EU will have had an impact on several other too which will affect supply for a while.


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In general the load rating means a firmer tyre. So if the current spec says 88 and you fit a 94 it will be slightly firmer but should not invalidate insurance or cause issues in my personal experience. Others probably have more input.


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This was taken from Michelin's website:

A. Tyre width: The width of your tyre, in millimetres, measured from sidewall to sidewall.

B. Aspect ratio: This is the ratio of the tyre’s cross-section to its width, expressed as a percentage. An aspect ratio of 65, for example, indicates that the tyre’s height is 65% of its width.

C. Wheel diameter: The diameter (height) of the wheel in inches.

D. Load index: Your tyre’s load index relates to its maximum carrying capacity (in kg). You’ll find the load rating of your tyre on the sidewall, just to the right of the diameter. For example, a tyre with a load index of 91 can carry 615kg of weight. Load ratings and speed ratings should be looked at together when you buy a new tyre. Also remember to check your manufacturer’s recommendations.

E. Speed rating: The speed rating is the maximum speed for a tyre when it is correctly inflated and being used under load. The speed rating is the letter at the end of the sidewall, after the load index number. A tyre with a speed rating of V, for example, has a maximum speed of 240 km/h.

When buying new tyres, make sure you match their speed rating with the speed capabilities of your vehicle.


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Yes. But there is a point with the aspect ratio where it doesn’t go any lower no matter what the width.

I think it might be 25 or 30.


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Or maybe you don't.......

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/107070/michelin-develops-new-airless-tyre

Not sure these would enhance the look of most cars though - might work on an "Aero"


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Hi all, I had a long chat with Jamie at Brands Hatch Morgans yesterday about tyre choice as my Series 3 Aero has some 2013 year Avons currently fitted and although decent tread depth left they are obviously getting on a bit now age wise and so will need changing soon. They are 225/40 ZR18 on the front and 245/40 ZR18 on the rear. This is the specification as per the handbook. Jamie recommended three different manufacturers for the Aero: Michelin, Continental or Hankook. All of these make tyres in these sizes and Jamie was particularly impressed the grip and feel of the Hankook suiting the car. He did say that many people avoid them due to them not being a category A brand and this is a shame as his view was they are tyres which suit the car very well indeed. I'll probably get the Michelins or Continentals!


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Are you certain ? 225/40/18 front yes but I think it is normally 245/35/18 rear ?

I have Mich Pilot Supersport on the S2 in the same combo as I bought them before Pilot Sport 4 or 4s could be found in both sizes.
Pilot Supersport are older now and so not easy to find. I would recommend the Pilot S4 or S4S.

The Coupe has 19" on and I went a bit potty and put the Pilot Cup 2 on the back end to try and give it some bite, sadly since then I have hardly had a chance to drive the thing.

There is another thread around tyres for Aeros in the thread as well if you want to look through that. http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/568719

Several people have also highlighted the Toyo's but I have not tried them.


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Hi, I'm certain about the size of the rears, the Morgan Handbook for the S3 on page 4 under "Wheels & Tyres" clearly states 245/40 ZR 18 for the rears. I've also been and checked the tyres on the car and they are also as per the handbook at 245/40/ ZR18. Cheers Paul.


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I have 255/35 on the rear of my S1.

I have Yokohama Advans. Very good but want to rubber up my spares and might go MPS though not the 4S as not available in both sizes.

They’re awesome. I have them on other cars


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Thanks for the feedback on the MPS - I'll give those a try (depending upon the sizes available). Cheers, Paul.


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There's not a lot of choice for these two tyre sizes. Any thoughts on the Bridgestone Potenza Sport as they are available in 225/40 18 (£90 each) and 245/40 18 (£120 each)?


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You are right - I have the 255/35 as mentioned by Viper.


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As the wheels are the same width front and rear has anyone tried 4 tyres of the same size, such as 4no 245/40 18 or would the extra 20mm at the front cause an issue with tyre rubbing when the steering is at full lock? Just thinking that sometimes you can get a better deal on 4 identical tyres at once / may give more choice of options.


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The S1 (maybe others) come std with 225/40 all round.

Many years ago I went up on the rears to 255/35.

Front won’t handle wider width on S1 as they will foul the headlamp. I think it does with std 225’s


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I'm on my 2nd set of Yokohama Advans - they're pretty much on par with any other tyre in tests - except for the MP4 family - and aside from any other characteristic, they look good!

That said, I suspect that the next time I replace all 4 tyres I'll take the opportunity to try the Michelins

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Hi Will & Viper, I'll also look at the Yokohamas. The chap I bought the Aero from had continued to use the factory recommended Avons. Their latest ZV7 range seem to get good customer reviews and do all the various sizes we have: 225/40, 245/40, 255/35 and range from £82 - £110 per tyre (depending on which size) fitted.


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Viper, if you're going to get new rubber on your spare wheels then National Tyres are doing an extra 5% off the Avon ZV7 at the moment when you order online with Code: AV-NTA5


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Originally Posted by PJC
Viper, if you're going to get new rubber on your spare wheels then National Tyres are doing an extra 5% off the Avon ZV7 at the moment when you order online with Code: AV-NTA5



Thanks Paul


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National are also doing a Lifetime Guarantee on all Bridgestone tyres at the moment and they have the Potenza Sport in 225/40 18 and 255/35 18. The guarantee covers all puncture repairs and other damage causing replacement until the tyre is below 1.6mm.


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Originally Posted by PJC
The chap I bought the Aero from had continued to use the factory recommended Avons.



... worth bearing in mind that the factory's opinion can change from month to month, depending on which tyre manufacturer is offering the best deal: that's what my dealer reckoned!

also, I suspect that our Aeros are that much lighter than the majority of cars that the results of published tyre comparison tests run on 4 door saloons weighing 50-100% more than the Aero should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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That's a good point Will, in the same way that the cynics amongst may sometimes feel the "Tire tests" may deliver some unexpected results based upon the amount of sponsorship or hospitality being provided at the tests. That's why I've been particularly interested in the experiences by everyone on TM. As I've only had the Aero for a few months and inherited it with some 7 year old Avon ZV5 tyres (good tread depth left and they've not gone at all hard yet) which seem to have pretty good grip and feedback, I'm keen to see what others are recommending before replacing them with another set of Avons - now ZV7.


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If you haven't tried the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 or 4s, then do - you won't go back after, trust me.


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Cheers for the recommendation Nick


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Kwik Fit has an offer on the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 at the moment with 10% discount and a hotel stay voucher, so I've booked for Thursday for new tyres all round on my spare wheels.


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Originally Posted by PJC
Kwik Fit has an offer on the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 at the moment with 10% discount and a hotel stay voucher, so I've booked for Thursday for new tyres all round on my spare wheels.


Sounds like a sweet deal!


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Hope so - £403 all in for tyres, fitting balancing and 4no TPMS Service Kits - whatever they are.....perhaps new batteries? Any £100 a corner for Pilot Sport 4 is pretty good I think. Let's hope the hotel stay is somewhere I fancy otherwise it'll become an auction prize at my daughter's school fund raiser!


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That is a pretty good price for MPS4 and they will be excellent on the Aero.
Play with the pressures but I tend to be 25psi all around in most driving.


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Paul is there a link to this offer?


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So 4no Pilot Sport 4 tyres fitted to my spare wheels at Kwik Fit today. They had a right old game getting the tyres on an off due to the profile of the inner part of the rim and removing the and replacing the bolt on TPMS in each one. Took them 3 hours to do 4 tyres! Anyway, all good and I've registered online for the hotel voucher which is now being processed. Track day scheduled at Goodwood on Monday where I plan to finish off the Avon ZV5 tyres on the Aero before bolting on the new Pilot Sports. Fingers crossed for the sunshine!


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This is what worries me with Kwik Fit, had some terrible experiences with them.

If they damage one of my rims they’re irreplaceable


Enjoy GW. Who’s organised it?


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In fairness to Kwik Fit they took their time to ensure all was done just right and allowed me to stand and watch. The GW track day is organised by Woldingham Drivers Club - its expensive at £520 per car however you only get sensible drivers in expensive cars that all respect one another. I can see if there is a last minute spare slot as they occasionally get cancellations. The driver briefing is 09:15 sharp on Monday - lunch is included.


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Very kind of you Paul, unfortunately I’m not around Monday.

Done Goodwood many times a few years back now but particularly liked the Aero around there.

Great circuit but not much run off.

New hairy front discs and decent pads going on next well so I’m all set.

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Hi Viper, I know we're going "Off topic" of the staggered rubber, however, I'm interested to know what discs and pads you're planning to add? My discs look pretty much 100% so I'd no plans to change them just yet. BHM did say that there were some very early signs of thermal cracks on the pads and they recommended EBC Red Stuff (which I used to run on a modified MX-5) so I've ordererd a set of those to add over the next week or two, after GW when I'll also be putting the new PS4 tyres on. That's the first time I've ever used the phase "PS4" in relation to me...


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Discs are slotted with bolted bell. (Semi floating??)

Pads are mintex.

Supplied by SiFab.

With post up when they arrive


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Semi-floating discs on a road car - last of the late brakers!


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I’m not sure that’s the term.

On my old RS 911 they were floaters where these are more bolted tight but with a separate bell. (I think )


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Originally Posted by Viper
Discs are slotted with bolted bell. (Semi floating??)

Pads are mintex.

Supplied by SiFab.

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They aren't grooved. The noise would drive you crackers in traffic....

But they are floating discs- toleranced for a road car


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Originally Posted by SimonH
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Discs are slotted with bolted bell. (Semi floating??)

Pads are mintex.

Supplied by SiFab.

With post up when they arrive


They aren't grooved. The noise would drive you crackers in traffic....

But they are floating discs- toleranced for a road car


How much is a set with pads Si?
Need to get some for mine at some point, but won't be until I have the callipers done..


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Pilot Sport 4 tyres added this weekend and initial thoughts from a quick 30min run out is very good. They feel a little more supple than the Avons they have replaced and a little quieter too. Not sure if anyone else has experienced the slight feeling of vagueness in the steering at dead-ahead that sometimes occurs from the electric power steering. These tyres do seems to reduce that a bit too, so all good at present. A great deal from Kwik Fit at £401 (supplied and fitted) and with a voucher for a one night hotel stay thrown in.


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Pilot Sport 4S on Tarks, 225 at the front and 245 at the rear, as recommended.
A VAST improvement over the Avons ZZs that the car was built with.
Interestingly, the wheel rims are exactly the same, 225 is the narrowest fitting allowed for the wheel width, which is why the rim is so east to scuff.


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Hi Peter, that's really interesting. I couldn't get the tyres sizes in Pilot Sport 4S hence going for Pilot Sport 4. I've got 245/40 18 and 225/40 18. I agree they are massively better than the Avons. Fingers crossed for some sunshine this weekend!


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Hi Peter, that's really interesting. I couldn't get the tyres sizes in Pilot Sport 4S hence going for Pilot Sport 4. I've got 245/40 18 and 225/40 18. I agree they are massively better than the Avons. Fingers crossed for some sunshine this weekend!




Paul, I have 19" AeroMax wheels, not the standard 18" wheels. So you may be right.

I couldn't get Michelin Cross Climate tyres for 19" rims, but they are available for 18".

the availability of tyres in specific sizes is unpredictable....


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OK, that makes sense, I'll get some Cross Climates for my other set of 18s


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I've been searching for tyres
& looking at reviews... it's a rabbit hole that can consume you for days. The "same" tyre can perform differently relative to others, when the tests are of different sizes, on different cars and presumably different surfaces.
& nobody runs tests on anything like an Aero!

Anyhoo.. I spotted this - the weight of tyres - which is not often given.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Tyre-Reviews-UHP-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm (scroll down past the barcharts to the results & weights)

So for example for 225/40 R18 92Y
Pilot Sport 4S 9.76kgs
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5 9.44kgs
Bridgestone Potenza 9.98kgs
Pirelli P Zero PZ4 9.37kgs

The 2.6kgs difference between the Pirelli & Bridgestone in an 1100kg Aero might be material?
I'm no suspension expert, but I'd think that reducing the mass at each corner has to be a good thing.

My search was for the I8, which wears factory-fit run-flat Bridgestones. Runflats are never the best handling tyre. And with a carbon tub I'm looking for a quiet tyre to reduce the inherent cabin noise. All other things being equal (which they more or less are!) I'll take the 0.6kgs lighter & quieter Pirelli (-1Db before choosing the variant with 50% noise reduction tech) vs the Bridgestone.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Auto-Bild-19-inch-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm has figures for all three in 19 inch size

The more relevant 2021 test for an Aero might be UUHP 20 inch tyres, which doesn't give weights: I guess the relative weights will stay the same
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-UUHP-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm
I'm really not sure what tyres I'd put on the Aero if I was buying today: P4S looks like the best blend, still.

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Originally Posted by TheCustomer
I've been searching for tyres
& looking at reviews... it's a rabbit hole that can consume you for days. The "same" tyre can perform differently relative to others, when the tests are of different sizes, on different cars and presumably different surfaces.
& nobody runs tests on anything like an Aero!

Anyhoo.. I spotted this - the weight of tyres - which is not often given.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Tyre-Reviews-UHP-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm (scroll down past the barcharts to the results & weights)

So for example for 225/40 R18 92Y
Pilot Sport 4S 9.76kgs
Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5 9.44kgs
Bridgestone Potenza 9.98kgs
Pirelli P Zero PZ4 9.37kgs

The 2.6kgs difference between the Pirelli & Bridgestone in an 1100kg Aero might be material?
I'm no suspension expert, but I'd think that reducing the mass at each corner has to be a good thing.

My search was for the I8, which wears factory-fit run-flat Bridgestones. Runflats are never the best handling tyre. And with a carbon tub I'm looking for a quiet tyre to reduce the inherent cabin noise. All other things being equal (which they more or less are!) I'll take the 0.6kgs lighter & quieter Pirelli (-1Db before choosing the variant with 50% noise reduction tech) vs the Bridgestone.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Auto-Bild-19-inch-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm has figures for all three in 19 inch size

The more relevant 2021 test for an Aero might be UUHP 20 inch tyres, which doesn't give weights: I guess the relative weights will stay the same
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-UUHP-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm
I'm really not sure what tyres I'd put on the Aero if I was buying today: P4S looks like the best blend, still.

Will







I have, and would replace, PS4s on the Plus 8
The Tesla has these,

https://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/brands/michelin/pilot-sport-4-s-acoustic

and might be worth considering on the i8.

Essentially the inside of the tyre is lined with a sound absorbing foam about 1cm thick.
They cost a little more and Tesla M3 owners who have replaced the Acoustic version with non acoustic equivalents suggest the acoustic versions are quieter.


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The weight is an interesting viewpoint, I haven't seen figures like that published often, I would guess the Michelin with its more square and tall side walls will account for weight gains over the Pirelli.

Pirelli however in my experience are so far off Michelin in terms of performance that the weight wouldn't bother me, but interesting none the less!

Speaking of acoustic versions I heard of this only recently when getting tyres sorted for our Land Rover Discovery, I wonder how much difference they actually make db wise and what sort of weight that adds. Yet another complexity!



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The RS6 came with the Pirelli Acoustic and due to the problems. These were replaced with non-acoustic Michelin Pilot 4 and I cannot say the sound was dramatic for noise, it was for improved feel and grip


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thank you Peter & Alistair

- I didn't know that the P4S Acoustic existed - I'm sold!
The P4S acoustic isn't available in factory-fit sizes (a notably skinny front tyre!), but the chap who develops i8s for track & performance indicates that there are P4S acoustic sizes that'll fit :-)

- invaluable to have real world experience of both tyres in the same car Alistair - thank you for the feedback. :-)

Will

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I've had Pilot Sport 4 tyres on my Aero for 6months now and I've been very impressed with them from a grip perspective in all conditions and they are definitely quieter then the previous Avons. I certainly didn't specify a particular "Acoustic" version and Michelin's website doesn't mention an "Acoustic" version of either the Sport 4 or Sport 4s so can only assume that these are generally getting good reviews on tyre noise compared with their competitors.


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So, an update. The PS4 tyres on the 18" rims have been a significant improvement over the 8/9 year old Avon ZV5 that the car came with. Quieter, much more grip and better feeling on the "Dead ahead". I've recently acquired some additional 18" "Speedster" wheels (thanks Peter J) and these are currently being refurbed and painted in Santorini Gloss Black (a metallic Ranger Rover colour). Having been reading lots of reviews and tests and as I generally only take the Aero out in the dry I have decided to get a latest Avon ZV7 Tyres fitted to be able to compare directly to the Michelin PS4.

The consistent theme is that the Avons are a little better grip-wise and quieter on the road in the dry with better corner stability and shorter braking distances compared to the Michelins, although they are not as good as the Michelins in the wet and have longer braking distance and greater appetite for aquaplaning.

Like all things I guess some of the results are down to individual feel and preferences as well as which company is paying which tester! It will be good to see how two well-rated tyres, by lots or ordinary users, perform and whether I can, in all honesty, tell any difference. The Avons are definitely much cheaper at the moment at £360 fitted for a set of 4, whereas the Michelins were coming our at £460. Whilst £100 is not a huge sum it is quite a big percentage difference on the cost and will I notice that much of a percentage difference in performance? Let's hope not otherwise I've just spent £360 on some tyres to do donuts with rofl


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Paul,

has anyone demonstrated the ability of an Aero to do donuts???


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Hi Peter,

I've never seen a video of such antics however with the lightweight, power, rear drive and position of the seat so far back in the chassis I suspect that donuts and drifting generally would be relatively straightforward (sideways obviously) and a great deal of fun! If the Avons turn out to be rubbish I'll see if I can oblige!


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Might have....just a rumour.....no pictures were taken.

S2 manual, old and worn tyres it arrived on and so wanted to have a laugh before changing them. It was a cool dry day. It felt quite brutal but it lit up quite well and stayed spinning in second for a moment. Not done it again since or in the Coupe.

Oh and with the single sidepipes on the S2 it was darn noisy.


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