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2016 Roadster. Head light questions #719170
24/09/21 05:21 PM
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Hi, we took ownership of our 2016 Roadster yesterday.. Being a retired Mech Eng I have had a good look around the vehicle again and I have two non related headlamp questions for all you owners that know the way of the Morgan..

Question1. Both headlamp glass assemblies seem slightly loose in their bezels, in that you can push them inward by 1-1.5mm from the Chrome outer bezel. They seem almost sprung, but if they are, then the springs are very very weak. Both headlamps seem to be the factory fitted Halogen items. The outer Chrome/Stainless outer bezels are both very secure with no movement.. My question is, is the glass movement normal?. I am guessing that they should be more secure than this. If they are meant to be more secure, what is the arrangement to secure them.

Question 2. The 2016 Roadster has running lights on all the time, basically from what I have seen it uses the vehicles sidelamp system. As the Government has now decreed you can not put LED "bulbs" in a headlamp designed for Halogen, then what are my options to change the Halogen/ normal bulb headlight assembly for all LED or LED sidelights and Halogen main/dip?. . I thought I saw that the slightly newer models of the +4 and Roadster use a headlamp that has LED sidelights built in around their lower circumference, but they seem to have a Halogen main/dip bulb. Is anything like this available for a sensible price. My main aim is to have LED running lights and improved headlamp beam.

Any thoughts/help appreciated

Dave


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2016 Roadster
1936 BSA Empire Star Q8. 1935 BSA W7-35. 1938 BSA M20
Re: 2016 Roadster. Head light questions [Re: Davetherave] #719172
24/09/21 05:54 PM
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Dave,

the headlights are adjustable by using a screw and a spring. Just like most cars of the 60s and 70s with 7" Lucas lights. The 2014 Plus 8 is no different and the light output is dismal.
Fortunately the Land Rover community has driven the availability of virtually "plug and play" LED replacement units. Some are an acquired taste, others look good.
MMC's new LED lights have the DLR in the cross bar, but the same units are available with the sidelight in the crossbar.
These are mine....

[[Linked Image]

Available from Librands and not at all cheap, but I think they look the part, they are Legal and they light up the road like a modern headlight.


Last edited by Peter J; 24/09/21 05:55 PM.

Peter,
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Re: 2016 Roadster. Head light questions [Re: Davetherave] #719176
24/09/21 07:10 PM
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There shouldn't be springs Dave, unless someone has been "enhancing".

The inner bowl is plastic.

With the outer bezel off, you'll find that the light unit inner bezel is held by a single screw, plus two adjusters, at 12 o'clock and 3 o'clock. The light unit is held in the inner bezel by three screws and three countoured rectangular washers. If the fixings are loose, you can tighten things up with neoprene spacers!


DaveW
'05 Red Roadster S1
'16 Yellow (Not the only) Narrow AR GDI Plus 4
Re: 2016 Roadster. Head light questions [Re: Peter J] #719190
24/09/21 08:30 PM
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Thanks Peter, I looked on the Librands web site but unless I am not looking correctly, I could not locate them.. Maybe they are no longer offering them due to the MOT ruling changes in the spring?

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2016 Roadster
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Re: 2016 Roadster. Head light questions [Re: Davetherave] #719192
24/09/21 08:41 PM
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Hi Dave, thank you for the info on how the headlight glass is retained.. As Peter says it does indeed sound like the system used in the late 60's and into the 70's.. As both the headlight glass show the same movement it will be worth removing the outer bezel to see if its just a simple case of tightening it all up.. In the mean time the hunt for legal LED replacements continues..


Dave
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Re: 2016 Roadster. Head light questions [Re: DaveW] #719193
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Re: the springs, are these the bent metal wire pieces that always are a bugger to snap into place that hold the bowl in place that you speak of Peter?

Re: 2016 Roadster. Head light questions [Re: Davetherave] #719194
24/09/21 09:01 PM
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Hi Dave,

Are these the type of headlamp that you mean?

https://www.powerfuluk.com/vehicles...der-headlight-upgrade-drl-style-rhd.html

Malcolm


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Re: 2016 Roadster. Head light questions [Re: Davetherave] #719198
24/09/21 10:24 PM
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Hi Dave, your observations are correct as ex factory. As Peter suggests the vertical and lateral adjustments are against springs which may seem weak to you but normal. Do check that a strip of self adhesive neoprene is present on upper part of headlamp reflector support behind rim, to stop rattles and reduce headlamp "whistle" though.

Regarding LED upgrades, I've seen nothing to suggest that sidelight upgrades with same are illegal, even if they are integrated with headlamp reflector as OE or as the ARV6 angel eye style linked to above where the halogen headlamp bulb is retained.

Recent legislation has outlawed LED conversions replacing halogen headlamp bulbs though which was a natural progression of similar legislation against HID bulb upgrades.

What are legal though are dedicated LED headlamps complete with optics to match their light source. I have been using these E marked Land Rover ones for a couple of years now which raised no issues during a recent MOT. They have a very low power mode (but still much brighter than OE) which can be wired in to original sidelight feed which conveniently allows the equivalent of DRL's given the Roadsters always on system.

Last edited by RichardV6; 24/09/21 10:41 PM.

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2018 Roadster - Red/Magnolia - "Morton"
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Re: 2016 Roadster. Head light questions [Re: Davetherave] #719224
25/09/21 09:49 AM
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See what you find when you open it up Dave. All three of my Morgans have had adjusters which are collared fine threaded setscrews directly into the inner cowl. They appear to be an interference fit in the inner cowl. The inner bezel tabs are a snug fit but the whole thing is capable of a slight rattle.

This is one of the adjusters. The neoprene is to stop the whistle, and helps hold the outer bezel firmly.

[Linked Image]



Last edited by DaveW; 25/09/21 12:51 PM.

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'16 Yellow (Not the only) Narrow AR GDI Plus 4
Re: 2016 Roadster. Head light questions [Re: Davetherave] #719232
25/09/21 11:01 AM
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My Roadster passed it's MOT earlier this year with very bright LED sidelight bulbs, which stay on as running lights in the OE headlamps

I did however revert back to Halogen dip & main beam bulb, due to the potential MOT test issue with LED ones, a shame as they pass the beam tester check and are far safer at night


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