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Future Generations and the M3W #721319
12/10/21 06:56 PM
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I just read this in an RAC newsletter

“As many as 61% of 17-24 year olds plan to apply for an automatic-only driving licence, according to a survey from road safety charity IAM Roadsmart.
With the looming 2030 ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars and a downturn in vehicles with a manual gearbox being sold, the days of traditional transmission appear numbered.”

I must admit that the only manual car I’ve owned since 1987 is a Morgan Three Wheeler and as it now seems that the majority of new Plus Four sales are auto it made me think what is the allure of a manual gbx?

I’m kinda stumped for most cars, but I definitely can’t see the point of a Morgan Three Wheeler with an auto gbx…the manual is a key part of the visceral experience?

So it seems to me that the M3W is set to become an even greater form of desirable entertainment for future generations (as long as you can get petrol that is). drive


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Re: Future Generations and the M3W [Re: IMHO] #721320
12/10/21 07:17 PM
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That's very interesting and does make sense for the kids the majority of whom struggle to get the bonnet open.

I'm reminded of a post that Craig made about his daughter learning to drive and only wanting to pass the automatic test, of course all the old boys on here agreed no go for the manual you never know when you might need it, hire cars in Morocco or other places won't have automatics.


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Re: Future Generations and the M3W [Re: IMHO] #721323
12/10/21 07:33 PM
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I'd buy an auto M3W (next-gen, subject to cost and reliability...) once my left leg makes clutch work a pain. Ideally with a shift override of course! But not a diesel wink


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Re: Future Generations and the M3W [Re: IMHO] #721346
13/10/21 01:49 AM
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When my son got his license, and was ready for his first car, we were able to find a manual Jeep Wrangler. I got a good price on it since the dealer couldn't sell it because no one wanted a manual. My son, who couldn't drive a manual, was so excited to have his first car was very competent with teh car after four days. None of his friends can drive a manual, so it is also a good car to send him to college in since I know no one else will be borrowing it.

So this article doesn't surprise me in the least. The other three wheelers, the Slingshot and Vanderhall, are all automatics, granted with paddles or bump shift options. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Morgan made an automatic option on the next gen 3 Wheeler.

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Re: Future Generations and the M3W [Re: IMHO] #721388
13/10/21 12:49 PM
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Surely, in the UK, driving licences will be a bigger problem for the next generation of tricycle drivers?
Drivers who have passed there car test in recent years, such as my youngest son, are not allowed to drive a three wheeler on thier car licences.
You cannot take a driving test in a Tricycle, the only route now to being licensed to drive a Tricycle is to take an unlimited cc motorcycle test, which is of no relevance to driving a tricycle with a steering wheel.

Perhaps Morgan should be lobbying for a change to the driving licence categories?


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Re: Future Generations and the M3W [Re: Jack & Jill 602] #721391
13/10/21 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack & Jill 602


Perhaps Morgan should be lobbying for a change to the driving licence categories?

Seems a sensible idea until you realise that if the M3W were classed as a car, it would then need to meet safety and emission regulations for cars, which I think it would fail miserably, particularly with side impact measures.


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Re: Future Generations and the M3W [Re: Jack & Jill 602] #721393
13/10/21 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack & Jill 602
Surely, in the UK, driving licences will be a bigger problem for the next generation of tricycle drivers?
Drivers who have passed there car test in recent years, such as my youngest son, are not allowed to drive a three wheeler on thier car licences.
You cannot take a driving test in a Tricycle, the only route now to being licensed to drive a Tricycle is to take an unlimited cc motorcycle test, which is of no relevance to driving a tricycle with a steering wheel.

Perhaps Morgan should be lobbying for a change to the driving licence categories?


That’s crazy, I never knew that! banghead


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Re: Future Generations and the M3W [Re: IMHO] #721407
13/10/21 02:17 PM
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Driving licences were changed by the EU in January 2013 but each country could opt out of some requirements by a process know as "Derogation".

From 10th April 2014, the UK implemented the derogation in the EU directive which meant that a car licence holder who passed their test on or after 19th January 2013 and has attained the age of 21 can drive a trike in the UK.

As far as I know this still stands but please note this does not apply in the EU so if you plan to drive a M3W abroad then check the driving licence requirements of all countries you are visiting.

Drivers who had passed their test prior to the 19th Jan 2013 can drive a trike under grandfather rights.


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Re: Future Generations and the M3W [Re: Chris99] #721424
13/10/21 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris99

Driving licences were changed by the EU in January 2013 but each country could opt out of some requirements by a process know as "Derogation".

From 10th April 2014, the UK implemented the derogation in the EU directive which meant that a car licence holder who passed their test on or after 19th January 2013 and has attained the age of 21 can drive a trike in the UK.

As far as I know this still stands but please note this does not apply in the EU so if you plan to drive a M3W abroad then check the driving licence requirements of all countries you are visiting.

Drivers who had passed their test prior to the 19th Jan 2013 can drive a trike under grandfather rights.


Be very careful to check your licence issued on the next 10 yr renewal, there have been instances of the relevant class being missed off


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Re: Future Generations and the M3W [Re: IMHO] #721427
13/10/21 04:08 PM
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Sorry to show my ignorance, but I take it from the above that a M3W is registered as a trike ie a motorbike with an extra wheel. I had wrongly assumed that it was just a car with a wheel missing!
Other than driving licence requirements, is there anything else that is affected? I assume speed limits are the same, can you use bus lanes if signposted as ok for motorbikes? What about motorbike parking bays? Tolls on Dartford crossing etc.

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