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Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: M3W55] #721776
17/10/21 11:26 AM
17/10/21 11:26 AM
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Yep, the old +8 was a lighter beast than the most recent +8. As you say, the 4 is very chuckable, great fun at lower speeds. But it does run out of puff. Actually I found my Roadster to feel much heavier than the 4 too. Again, much more planted on the road - which I prefer.


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Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: M3W55] #721777
17/10/21 11:26 AM
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Post c1997 you get long door and stainless firewall and inner wings plus cuprinol wood treatment, 3.9Ltr hotwire is the sweet spot Plus 8 for me, the R380 gearbox is in these later models and regarded as a better unit than the LT77 of the early one's.

If going for a recent GDI + Four check it has had the upgrades to ECU and exhaust, there is a thread on here by DaveW about it.

I drove a + Four about 8 years ago and it was a really nice handling car but lacking the effortless grunt and sound that suits me, certainly more agile than the Plus 8.

On balance the +4 is the sensible choice laugh2


Regards Richard

1999 Indigo Blue +8
2009 4/4 Sport Green prev
1994 Connaught Green +8 prev





Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: M3W55] #721780
17/10/21 11:58 AM
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Well if the budget is good, definitely post 97 long door as Rich said with stainless bulkhead.

You will only know which model suits after trying them all. The right 4/4 might be the one. The Duratec Plus 4 is better than a standard GDI, but the modified GDI is way better than the Duratec.

If you come across a narrow Plus 4 then these have the best bits of the 4/4 and the Plus 4 combined. Most are Duratec.

Roadsters vary a lot with engine spec, gearbox changes, and rear axle ratio changes. The Roadsters match or exceed the Plus 8s in most things except the noise, and with the engine further back, are well balanced.

Plus 8s have lots of versions, but not so many post 1997, because there was only seven years of production remaining.


DaveW
'05 Red Roadster S1
'16 Yellow (Not the only) Narrow AR GDI Plus 4
Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: M3W55] #721782
17/10/21 12:14 PM
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I agree GDI + clubsport tune and 4 in 1 manifold with sport catalyst is a funny and efficient engine !

Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: Neilda] #721783
17/10/21 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Neilda
Originally Posted by Rovert
Difficult to describe the ÷8 as a heavy car, actual stats are difficult to come by but I would be surprised if it was 75 kg heavier than the same period ÷4.


The +8 is 253 Kg heavier than a +4 (550lbs). I'd say it not only feels heavier, but actually is heavier. I've had a long time driving both, so I was merely trying to answer the original question.


Do you have a source for these figures Nielda. The RV8 Is about 40kg heavier than a Duratec so where would the extra 210 kg come from do you think?


(Just looked at my old notes, the info I have for the +8 has weight ranging from 851kg to 940kg, presumably earliest to latest. A quick Google on the +4 gives weights ranging from 838kg to 920kg however Morgan stats are notoriously unreliable)

Last edited by Rovert; 17/10/21 12:43 PM.

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Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: M3W55] #721794
17/10/21 02:23 PM
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As you well know the Morgan finds you not the other way round, so drive them all. One persons opinion of how one drives versus another is very personal so does not necessarily translate to someone else. I find my +8 is much more planted to the road than the 4/4, the +8 is great for long distance driving 300 to 400 miles in a day is a breeze, wouldn't attempt that in the 4/4. However, a thrilling drive up a tight winding steep mountain road there is nothing like the 4/4, horses for courses.


Bruce
1964 4/4 Series V Comp (Megan)
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Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: M3W55] #721795
17/10/21 02:35 PM
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Roadster for touring thanks


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Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: John V6] #721802
17/10/21 04:24 PM
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Northern Capital of Cool
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Originally Posted by John V6
Roadster for touring thanks

Plus on the later 3.7's you get PAS, which is rare on other Trads

Be careful with some of the Rover engined +4's they are not compatible with the latest E10 petrol


Jon M
Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: M3W55] #721814
17/10/21 06:06 PM
17/10/21 06:06 PM
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Essex
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Power steering available on all Trads from 2013, I have the original press car fitted with electric PS.


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2013 narrow bodied + 4 Ruby.
Re: Plus 8 or Plus 4? [Re: Burgundymog] #721834
17/10/21 10:17 PM
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The +8 and +4 (or 4/4) are different driving experiences and neither will cover the full range. The logical thing to do is to have one of each, then you have covered all bases! I speak from experience. hide 😜


1994 +8 BMW Calypso Red.
2002 4/4 4 seater BMW Calypso Red.
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